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Offline Fidd

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« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2002, 11:14:29 AM »
In my view it frequently takes considerable effort to take, and extract a cv away from a port captured by the enemy. I don't in any way see that as gaming the game, it's a perfectly legitimate tactic for denying use of it to the enemy.

It's very noticeable that the players who give out the position of "hidden" cv's, or who steer them deleiberatly into trouble, are frequently not the people involved in previously capturing the port or the cv, or defending it as it is extracted. Accordingly, I personally regard such behaviour as beneath contempt, anbd frankly prefer they simply changed sides and stayed so.

I don't mind at all having to hunt for, and kill a hidden cv. I've done it many times, with a few squad mates, and the satisfaction in doing so without recourse to cheating is great.

It seems to me that AH players are increasingly intolerant of anything that doesn't give them instant gratification, that you have lost sight of the fun to be had from effective teamwork, especially of the fleet hunt variety, where a lot of second guessing and deep recce flying is required.

What I find especially repugant these days in AH, and especially on these boards, is the lack of at least an attempt, to see the other players point of view.

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« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2002, 01:42:43 PM »
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It's very noticeable that the players who give out the position of "hidden" cv's, or who steer them deleiberatly into trouble, are frequently not the people involved in previously capturing the port or the cv, or defending it as it is extracted. Accordingly, I personally regard such behaviour as beneath contempt, anbd frankly prefer they simply changed sides and stayed so.
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I've fought hard to capture a port and the task group that goes with it, then had to log shortly after getting the fleet.  Log back in 5-6 hours later and see we've lost the port and some dorkfish has the fleet hidden in a corner.  If my rank is high enough I'll put'er to use somewhere, attacking a base (like the port for instance).  If my rank isn't high enough to do that I'll pass the group's location on to the appropiate people.

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« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2002, 07:00:33 PM »
I'm sure people will draw their own conclusions as to the likely veracity of this, coming as it does from someone who is happy to degrade his own teams assets, merely to curry favour.



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I've fought hard to capture a port and the task group that goes with it, then had to log shortly after getting the fleet.  Log back in 5-6 hours later and see we've lost the port and some dorkfish has the fleet hidden in a corner.  If my rank is high enough I'll put'er to use somewhere, attacking a base (like the port for instance).  If my rank isn't high enough to do that I'll pass the group's location on to the appropiate people.

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« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2002, 07:16:12 PM »
Are you really that dumb?

A task group is an offensive weapon.  It does no good sitting over 100miles from the action.

I don't play the hide the cv game.  If it won't be used in an offensive role than I'll tell someone in the other country where it is.  There are folks in all 3 countries that do the exact same.

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« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2002, 08:22:15 PM »
I have heard caveman's rants on the subject.
Like somebody said earlier I think, 'beneath contempt'.
 
Within the game parameters, it's a legitimate tactic. That you cannot see the relative advantage of prolonged, denied use to the enemy demonstrates your absence of situational awareness, not to mention ignorance of strategic advantage.
 
Your belligerent remarks (here and on Ch 1) and betrayal of your own forces demonstrate other things, but that is a different topic.
 
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« Last Edit: April 27, 2002, 08:24:40 PM by RDSaustinTX »

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2002, 03:45:14 AM »
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I've fought hard to capture a port and the task group that goes with it, then had to log shortly after getting the fleet.  Log back in 5-6 hours later and see we've lost the port and some dorkfish has the fleet hidden in a corner.  If my rank is high enough I'll put'er to use somewhere, attacking a base (like the port for instance).  If my rank isn't high enough to do that I'll pass the group's location on to the appropiate people.


Billy Doolittle proved airpower will sink a battleship by dive-bombing it with a 2k bomb.  Seems like the P47 is one of the most effective weapons to use against ships.

Also, it seems battleship pounding of nme ground positions was mostly ineffective in killing the defending troops during WWII.  So, historically, what's going on in the game is correct.

Think how bad it must have been in real life Caveman.  Though I do agree with you about the CV dilema.

Les

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« Reply #36 on: April 29, 2002, 02:07:40 PM »
leslie...

for your edification... that would be Billy Mitchell who proved planes could sink ships.

James Doolittle led the raid on Tokoyo flying B-25s which were named after Billy Mithcell.

To Cavemanj and all the CV whiners,

Hiding the enemy CV is a valid game tatic.

What's the big deal? CVs are easy to find and kill. Hop into a 262 and fly around the map until you find it.

Hey do some Recon - there's a novel idea.

Would you rather have satellite pictures and an Exocet missile to take it out - you lamer!

CVs move so slow as it is, if a county is able to move the CV away and hide it so that the enemy looses track of it - tough luck!

The moment that CV is used for any kind of offensive action, it will probably get sunk. No big deal.

Go cry me a river you whiner, and while you're at it change countries - I don't want you in mine.

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« Reply #37 on: April 29, 2002, 03:20:07 PM »
>>Within the game parameters, it's a legitimate tactic. <<

Read: Gaming the game


>>That you cannot see the relative advantage of prolonged, denied use to the enemy demonstrates your absence of situational awareness, not to mention ignorance of strategic advantage. <<

Sounds like a great big juicy rationalization to me.

The circumstance under which this kind of thing occurs is when the side that does it is losing. It is a kind of scorched earth policy which speaks loudly of an action used by dweebs or, an action by a spoiled child. Pretty pathetic IMO, which has been shared by many.
Fight honorably, and if you are to die (read= lose) then do so honorably. Instead you would engage in a reprehensible act and call it strategy. Pfft!
You and those like you will do as you will but, please don't try and make it out to be anything more than it is; have a little self respect. :cool:

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« Reply #38 on: April 29, 2002, 05:44:47 PM »
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Fight honorably, and if you are to die (read= lose) then do so honorably. Instead you would engage in a reprehensible act and call it strategy. Pfft!
You and those like you will do as you will but, please don't try and make it out to be anything more than it is; have a little self respect.

 
Read: Some folks forget the game is a game.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2002, 07:42:14 PM »
>>Read: Some folks forget the game is a game. <<

El wrongo!:D

When I log on it is to play a game. When I play a game, I like to win. I get as much enjoyment from playing well than just playing. I don't get yuks by trying to find a CV cuz some numnuts decided to hide the thing so noone else can use it:p

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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2002, 08:03:34 PM »
I'll tell its posistion. Done it many times and will continue doing it.

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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2002, 08:28:29 PM »
lol weazel if you were a knight and told nme where to find the cv that they took from us in the first place...i would first virtually kik ur ass..if i could......i would then just keep flying since i cannot do anything to you...well u would be on the "permanant NO CHECK SIX List".....lolollol

AGAIN ITS STRATEGY...SO WHEN WE TOOK Sub bases like Brest back in France..Did we get the Subs automatically..???lolol..no u get off your tulips fly and find them..if you really thot it was worth it.......

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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2002, 10:49:14 PM »
>>AGAIN ITS STRATEGY...SO WHEN WE TOOK Sub bases like Brest back in France..Did we get the Subs automatically..???<<


Pfft! And your example doesn't hold water. The point of the action you refer to was to destroy the sub bases so the subs wouldn't operate from there.  This thread is about Dweebs hiding Task Groups. Some of you call it strategy, others of us call it dweebery.

But I can see there is a different sense of strategy and tactics by some of you. I stick to the example I used earlier; they are tactics used by a person who is losing and doesn't want to admit it. The child who would take the ball in the middle of a game so noone else can use it:rolleyes:
Moot point though, you guys will continue to do it, and profess to call it something it's not, and I and others will continue to ridicule the move as a senseless acty of dweebery:cool:

Play on....

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« Reply #43 on: May 01, 2002, 02:19:08 AM »
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The child who would take the ball in the middle of a game so noone else can use it


Ball Control.  

Protect the Ball.

No Turnovers.

Ever hear of these statements?  Can you imagine how they apply to this game?

The kid that takes his ball and goes home is the same kid that lost it.
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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2002, 06:23:56 AM »
Guess I should have asked this earlier, but what is hiding the CV?  Taking it off the map?  I would think as long as the CV is on the map, it's a legit play.  I.e., how would I hide a CV if I wanted to?  I'm not sure how this works.  Don't nme CVs respawn after a port is taken and the nme CV sunk?  I've seen a few times where the captured CV didn't respawn on the map, and was wondering where it was.

Les