Author Topic: Were the Russians planning to invade in 1942? (Read 1759 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #75 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:00:51 AM »

Here we go again.

Noone EVER saw the "originals" of that fake "secret protocols". They were "invented" long after the war, with the only purpose of raising the nationalist movements in Pribaltika.

You are boring. The same old cold war crap.

I don't care if someone "admitted" anything. I know that Polish officers were killed from German weapons, and the graves were found at the place where in 1940-41 were young pioneer camps and recreational zones, where people from Smolensk spent their vacations. Officers listed as "killed" in 1940 were witnessed to be alive in autumn 1941. It's a fact. But - again, I doubt both points of view.

Soviet "invasion" in Poland started after Polish state ceased to exist. USSR took control of the territory occupied by Poland in 1919-20. Neither UK, neither France, who had obligations to declare war on any state invading Poland ever said a word against USSR taking back what belonged to it.

BTW, tell me how many Polish Jews were kept from being killed by nazis?

Hortlund, you are a liar. I got mad when you said that USSR had to surrender to "avoid unnessesary victims". It means that you either support nazis, or are absolutely unaware of what was planned for the population of Eastern Europe according to German "plan Ost". And I DO admit that there WERE accidents of violence against civilians in Germany, but I disagree with a crazy picture you draw, and state that, unlike nazis, Soviet authorities took all possible measures to prevent it. Try reading what others post, sometimes it helps.

(how DO you spell that damn country)

I spell it "×åõîñëîâàêèÿ". JFYI: in English it's spelled as AM did it: "Czechoslovakia". And I don't think that if you don't know how to spell it it's a reason to call any country "damn".

--am-- · « **Reply #76 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:09:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

According to international law, no to all three, they were all legal acts of war. And the death toll at Dresden was between 35 000 -135 000. I dont know where that 250 000 figure comes from.

It is the data of state department of USA per 55 years. The general of a fire service of Germany Gans Rumpf refers in the book " Results World War II " to it

straffo · « **Reply #77 on:** June 04, 2002, 07:30:19 AM »

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Soviet "invasion" in Poland started after Polish state ceased to exist. USSR took control of the territory occupied by Poland in 1919-20. Neither UK, neither France, who had obligations to declare war on any state invading Poland ever said a word against USSR taking back what belonged to it

uh ?

BS

I wont go back in history but before 1792 it was not Russian ...

Historic russian claim on this zone are BS and you know it.

and concerning jew isn't the word pogrom russian ?

--am-- · « **Reply #78 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:05:50 AM »

And why not 1656? When the Poles promised enter in structure of Russia if that them will rescue from Sweden of aggression?

straffo · « **Reply #79 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:09:49 AM »

Baa Baa poor little lamb ...

Boroda · « **Reply #80 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:19:48 AM »

Straffo, I repeat: French and British governments didn't say a single word about it, and didn't consider it an agression against Poland.

The word "pogrom" IS Russian. It strangely disappeared from Soviet lexicon, at least in the meaning you know. Soviet power did all possible things to establish equal rights for Jews that were supressed by the Empire. Now I expect you to say that it was USSR who "eliminated" 6 million Jews, am I right?

Hortlund · « **Reply #81 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:45:19 AM »

Boroda, I have to ask you, do you want to talk to me, or will you just curse at me if I write something to you on these boards again?

straffo · « **Reply #82 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:50:05 AM »

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Now I expect you to say that it was USSR who "eliminated" 6 million Jews, am I right?

No I will never say that and you know that.

I was just trying to point (in a trollesque way ) that no-one is innocent especially when at war.

Trostski wasn't jew ? it was used againt him by the stalin if I recall good ..

You have doubt about the Katyn massacre it's certainly legitimate for your point of view not for me as official of your country recognized the fact.

Why France didn't reacted in 1939 when URSS invaded Poland is simply because Comunist worker were needed in armement plant not making riot to please the soviet governement.

julle · « **Reply #83 on:** June 04, 2002, 08:59:20 AM »

The 20th centurys worst crime by now virtually forgotten was Stalins Red Holocaust in Eastern Europe in the 1930s and 40s. Over seven million Ukrainians, Poles, Lithuanians, Latvians and Estonians were murdered, starved to death, or died in Stalins death camps.

Stalin also destroyed the Tatars, the remaining Caucasian Muslims, Volga Germans, and one million Muslim Kazaks. As late as 1949, 95,000 Baltic people were deported to Siberian death camps . In 1945, at least 2 million ethnic Germans of East Europe were slaughtered, two million were raped, and 12-15 million ethnically cleansed...

Masherbrum · « **Reply #84 on:** June 04, 2002, 09:37:45 AM »

Stalin was an amazinhunk.

Masher

--am-- · « **Reply #85 on:** June 04, 2002, 10:08:16 AM »

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Originally posted by julle
The 20th centurys worst crime by now virtually forgotten was Stalins Red Holocaust in Eastern Europe in the 1930s and 40s.

And why not of 100 millions or billion? The largest losses at 30-40 years have incurred China in war with Japan. But you it did not know. To you repeat the learnt primitive propagation. Anything another you do not know, and most important to know do not want. You is cosy in your imagination.

--am-- · « **Reply #86 on:** June 04, 2002, 10:12:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Stalin was an amazinhunk.

Masher

Read Churchill. Or you count what as cleverer than Churchill?

Samm · « **Reply #87 on:** June 04, 2002, 10:38:22 AM »

-am-
You're english is much better than my russian, but I still don't understand what you're trying to say . So in the future just speak russian please and we'll ask Baroda to translate it for us .

midnight Target · « **Reply #88 on:** June 04, 2002, 11:47:30 AM »

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Soviet power did all possible things to establish equal rights for Jews that were supressed by the Empire.

One of the best tools the west employed during the Cold War was the withholding of MFN (Most Favored Nation) status based on human rights violations. The Soviet Union did not recieve MFN due in large part to the treatment of Jews. While many emigrated to Israel post 1975, the implementation of huge "Diploma Taxes" made this a difficult proposition at best for these people.

Boroda · « **Reply #89 on:** June 04, 2002, 12:14:59 PM »

Tah Gut, I know this story. BTW Russia still doesn't get the MFN status - maybe because of that poor Jews

One thing for you to know: Jews were absolutely equal to any nation in terms of emigration. They were only the loudest ethnic group, or just some loud throats who in fact made the regime think of any Jew as of possible dissident or traitor. Western "national politics" didn't change since then: "Radio Liberty" now broadcasts special programms for Caucasus.

What I meant is that before Revolution Jews were really supressed, officially. Have you heard of "settlement line"? Not speaking that Jews were not allowed to work as government employees, study at colleges, etc. Even in times of "Soviet antisemitism" in the 70s Jews never experienced such opression as before Revolution.

Julle, ask your dealer to wrap that stuff in Playboy pages instead next time. I can't ask you to stop smoking it - at this stage it's really difficult to quit.

If everything you say is true - I wonder how someone is still alive here.

Straffo, I really liked the joke about Trotskiy

Sounds like he was the last Jew in a Soviet government, hehehe

As for "communist workers" - maybe UK suffered from the same problem? Some "commies" in blue collars had such influence on foreign politics? Don't make me laugh!