Author Topic: Uber Spits (Read 1015 times)

funkedup · « **on:** June 05, 2002, 01:28:30 PM »

Lately we have seen in the game (and seen discussed on the board) some planes which served only with one squadron or only one flight in a squadron. How about some of the famous Spitfires of this sort?

Spitfire Mk. VIII with +25 boost
360+ mph on the deck and 5580 fpm climb rate.
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spit8.html

Spitfire LF IX with +25 boost
350+ mph on the deck and 5740(!!!) fpm climb rate.
http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/jl165.html

Spitfire 21 - 450 mph and 4 Hispanos. Very similar in performance and appearance to the Mk. XIV, so it wouldn't be much work for HTC. Just add some HP and some Hizookas.

Perks of course, but let's have 'em!

Hristo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2002, 02:03:22 PM »

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mw · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2002, 02:34:08 PM »

Funked, that's cruel: you just gave a bunch of kiddies tummy aches

I'd be happy to just see an ordinary, run-of-the mill, plain jane Merlin 66 engined Spit modeled by a sim someday. I just don't get it.

I don't think that LF IXs running at +25 lbs boost fits your characterization as rare however. I've delved into the subject and they were rather common.

Here's an interesting document dated May 1, 1944 showing a glimpse into the state of affairs at that time, with regards to +25 lbs boost on Spit LF IXs. What's interesting to me, among other things, is the clearance and operational use of +25 lbs boost prior to the V-1 problem.

Squire · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2002, 02:48:32 PM »

We need a SeafireIII. If we dont get it, Im going to hold my breath.

Regards.

funkedup · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2002, 03:16:01 PM »

How about a Seafire XV to match all the other 1944 CV aircraft.

funkedup · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2002, 03:18:29 PM »

Wow MW, he's sending that memo out to 6 different Groups. Looks like it might be time for +25 as a standard option in the Mk. IX.

I agree with you that a standard LF IX would be nice. By far the most common Mk. IX and most common Spitfire after 1943.

Pei · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2002, 05:29:26 PM »

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I don't see how this is any less interesting than endless discussions on GM and MW equipped Ta152s, 190s and 109s.
Certainly they were a lot more LF. Mk. IXs with +25lbs boost in service than Ta152s.

I'd also love to see an LF. Mk. IX in the game; and a higher boosted version as a perk.

funkedup · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2002, 05:44:55 PM »

I bet Hristo is not bored by the topic. I think he is just indicating that my uber Spitfires don't scare him.

Mitsu · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2002, 06:35:10 PM »

Show me the Shoki!!!

Jack55 · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2002, 09:50:58 PM »

Now thems are some Spitfires!

mw · « **Reply #10 on:** June 07, 2002, 08:10:41 AM »

Spitfire Mks VIII and IX had the Merlin 66. The Spitfire XVI had the packard built version; the 266. Taken together that's about 7,600 aircraft so configured (Merlin 61 and 70s excluded from this calculation). That would make this class of Spitfire the most numerous and most representative type that saw service in WWII. They equipped more squadrons and flew more sorties than all the other Spits. The Spit I may have been the most famous given its reputation from the BoB, but in my opinion, the Merlin 66 engined Spits are the definitive Spitfire of WWII. Can someone please explain to me why such an important and common aircraft is excluded from this sim? Gameplay, lack of data, _______????

p.s. I realize this isn't quite on topic funked

I understand you're asking for the souped up jobs. Its not that I disagree with ya, but that gets into gameplay issues with perks, game balance and such, which isn't my thing.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #11 on:** June 07, 2002, 12:28:57 PM »

Bring on the lil bastards! I can't wait to transition to the spitfires, I'm done with the jug.

DmdNexus · « **Reply #12 on:** June 07, 2002, 01:40:46 PM »

Now you see this is where perks points can come into play.

Rather than create a new plane... simply select and exsiting plane and purchase the accessories..

Angus · « **Reply #13 on:** June 10, 2002, 05:26:44 AM »

Just did a little study on the Spitfire data I have vs the AH performance.
It looks like AH's Spitfires are slower than the ones I read about (Spit I, Spit IX, Spit XIV), and with poorer climbrate (at least spit XIV). So, a bit Porked. Spit I's get outrun by 110's, and Spit XIV climbs less on 25% fuel than fully loaded in tests in ww2.
Spit XIV also turns significally worse than the IX, unlike what reports state.
I think there is a gameplay reason why we don't get the uber Spits. They are simply too good. AH would be flooded with Spits and Spits again. Any newbie would be a serious threat in his uberboos Hizooka Spit. That monster plane would outgun, outturn, outroll and outclimb the dreaded N1k2 for instance.
It is not fair, but still, for this is a game right? Aces High or Spitfires High?
However the Perk system could be used here with some sense, the Perks are just generally a bit to high now.
Bring them in!

Wilbus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:01:26 AM »

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I don't see how this is any less interesting than endless discussions on GM and MW equipped Ta152s, 190s and 109s.
Certainly they were a lot more LF. Mk. IXs with +25lbs boost in service than Ta152s.

Then again, ALL Ta152 H1's (the one we have) had both MW50 and GM1 boost. The 190 A8 version we have had MW50, the Dora had it too aswell as the A5, but why would we get this?

By this I don't mean to oppose more spits in AH. Bring em on, the Mk21 could be fun, aswell as the Mk VIII, heard that many pilots said the MkVIII was the best of the spits.