Author Topic: Uber Spits (Read 1014 times)

Squire · « **Reply #15 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:26:06 AM »

Since the XIV is there I certainly dont see a VIII or an LF IX as unbalancing. This varient should be added at some point, and the above posts are correct, the LF IX and LF rated VIIIs were the most common wartime Spitfire, of all the types to enter service. The LF IX was the standard Spitfire in 2 ATAF squadrons (RAF, RCAF, Free Poles, ect) by the time of the Normandy landings. The VIII being widely used in India/Burma and the Med by this date.

Qnm · « **Reply #16 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:40:29 AM »

Didn't the RAF use anything else comparable to Spitfires?

gofaster · « **Reply #17 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:17:43 PM »

The problem with perked uber planes is that it can be rather discouraging for new pilots/players that are new to the game and lack the points to get the same planes as more experience pilots. Besides, experienced pilots already have a familiarity with the game's software and flight models so they already have an edge. Why compound the inequity by allowing them access to superior aircraft as well?

Besides, we already have plenty of Spitfires. How about some Japanese and French aircraft instead?

funkedup · « **Reply #18 on:** June 10, 2002, 12:43:13 PM »

Gofaster, as MW points out, we still don't have the most common Spits of the war.

Wilbus:

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The 190 A8 version we have had MW50, the Dora had it too aswell as the A5, but why would we get this?

A-8 and A-5 did not use MW 50. You are thinking of GM-1.

SKurj · « **Reply #19 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:27:19 PM »

who wants to see a photo of a spit IX with 6 hispano?

hmm i'd better not...

SKurj

Angus · « **Reply #20 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:34:31 PM »

I belive the Spitfire V (and getting more detailed, the Vb) was the most common of the Spitfires. Am I wrong?
Anyway, To make a proper full house of Spits, we need at least three, the VIII, the IXLF, and the 21, and maybe even more.
After all, the Spits of WW2 were more than 20.000, and were used into the Sixties if I remember right.
But again, for Aces High, an unperked access to the uber spits would really upset the game balance, - they are just so good aircraft. So, I say we'd have to perk them. The ENY and OBJ values will come into that too. I'd vote for a low perk with relatively low ENY value. Good to get kills in them, but not exactly the planes to sweep up perks.
IMHO the Spit XIV is way to expensive BTW.

BenDover · « **Reply #21 on:** June 10, 2002, 02:41:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
We need a SeafireIII. If we dont get it, Im going to hold my breath.

Regards.

some call a doctor!

Wilbus · « **Reply #22 on:** June 10, 2002, 03:31:54 PM »

Ehhhhh Funked, sorry but you're very wrong there.

the 190 A4 and onward all used MW50 power boosting, the A8 had it in the AUX tank (the AUX tank could carry fuel instead as in AH). The 190 A's didn't use the GM1 as the GM1 is only used when the airplane flies ABOVE the engines maximum boost altitude, this is why the GM1 in the real life TA152 didn't kick in untill about 32-35k.

The MW50 was used BELLOW the maximum boost altitude. The 190 A's did not use GM1, they all (almost all after A4) used MW50 though, something we don't have in AH.

So, with a little chance of sounding rude... don't tell me what I am thinking of, I know my 190's.

funkedup · « **Reply #23 on:** June 10, 2002, 04:13:44 PM »

LOL @ Wilbus
Whatever man.
Fortunately HT and Pyro know their stuff.
They'll file this alongside other BS like mass production of Fw 190A-9 and MK 103 on more than 5-6 190s.

If you don't want to trust me then ask Verm or Naudet or Niklas or Hohun.

Wilbus · « **Reply #24 on:** June 10, 2002, 05:25:17 PM »

Like I said, I know my 190's, obviously you don't.

funkedup · « **Reply #25 on:** June 10, 2002, 07:03:49 PM »

Like I said, you should ask Verm or Naudet or Niklas or Hohun if you don't believe me.

I'm aware some books say that Fw 190A used MW 50. But based on primary sources, those books seem to be wrong. We've been over it on this board a few times, surprised you missed it.

I'll accept your apology in advance.

Thrawn · « **Reply #26 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:33:43 PM »

Wow! The waffles just had to try and turn a pro-spit thread in to a LW conspiracy thread, eh?

mw · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2002, 08:47:37 PM »

Wilbus, I don't claim expertise on 190's but even with my limited knowledge its clear you have alot to learn about 190's.

Read this and learn a thing or two. I did.

Check this out as well.

Hristo · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2002, 10:40:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Angus
Just did a little study on the Spitfire data I have vs the AH performance.
It looks like AH's Spitfires are slower than the ones I read about (Spit I, Spit IX, Spit XIV), and with poorer climbrate (at least spit XIV). So, a bit Porked. Spit I's get outrun by 110's, and Spit XIV climbs less on 25% fuel than fully loaded in tests in ww2.
Spit XIV also turns significally worse than the IX, unlike what reports state.
I think there is a gameplay reason why we don't get the uber Spits. They are simply too good. AH would be flooded with Spits and Spits again. Any newbie would be a serious threat in his uberboos Hizooka Spit. That monster plane would outgun, outturn, outroll and outclimb the dreaded N1k2 for instance.
It is not fair, but still, for this is a game right? Aces High or Spitfires High?
However the Perk system could be used here with some sense, the Perks are just generally a bit to high now.
Bring them in!

My whine-o-meter just started flashing

cajun · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2002, 11:15:08 PM »

Don't we have enough spitfire models? why not add planes that we don't have before adding more models of the same plane, especially when we already have 5 versions of it! And I definitly don't think they are "proked"... and if they are, I'd hate to see em un"porked"

Add a b25, and mitsu's Shoki

And of course that plane that I like allot... I will not mention the name of it at the moment cuz I think some1 might go crazy if I say it again lol...

But it looks like this

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