Author Topic: Meteor? (Read 2289 times)

thrila · « **Reply #135 on:** September 23, 2002, 10:10:07 AM »

Wilbus the metoer mkIII flew ground attack sorties in the 2TAS in the closing months of the war. Just because it had no air to air kills doesn't mean it saw no action- it can't be helped that the Luftwaffe are a bunch of wussies and wouldn't fight them.

If the Stuka and il2 had no air to air kills would we not model them?

hazed- · « **Reply #136 on:** September 23, 2002, 11:50:00 AM »

meteor never saw combat with any enemy aircraft apart from V1 flying bombs (or v2 or whatever they were called)

if it didnt see combat it should not be included until every plane that DID see combat is included imo.

If however HTC made the flying bombs then I would agree to its inclusion.

The do 335 is another aircraft that i personally would like to try out but when i learned it never fired a shot in anger vs allied aircraft i struck it off the list.

What i would like to point out is that if AH starts to go down the road of modeling aircraft that DIDNT see action but were constructed in however small numbers you will start to see MANY more LW planes demanded than Allied.

Those damn nazis had hundreds of strange and exotic planes on the drawing board or in the prototype stage.The lists of demands would be ENDLESS!!

if you want an aircraft to match (or come closer to) the me262 on the allied side ask for the latest model P51 (the H was it?) or the P47 (M?). These aircraft , although not jets were incredibly powerfull and fast aircraft.They were much more of a threat to an me262 than any lame half assed meteor design let me assure you

the meteor was not a good fighter.It just looked nice.

BenDover · « **Reply #137 on:** September 23, 2002, 12:37:01 PM »

How unpatriotic of you!

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #138 on:** September 23, 2002, 12:52:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Mitsu
Meteor would be great addition if HTC releases most of Japanese planes.

Yup...no jets yet. Japanese planes painfully underrepresented in AH

Gainsie

funkedup · « **Reply #139 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:16:00 PM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
meteor never saw combat with any enemy aircraft apart from V1 flying bombs (or v2 or whatever they were called)

if it didnt see combat it should not be included until every plane that DID see combat is included imo.

If however HTC made the flying bombs then I would agree to its inclusion.

The do 335 is another aircraft that i personally would like to try out but when i learned it never fired a shot in anger vs allied aircraft i struck it off the list.

What i would like to point out is that if AH starts to go down the road of modeling aircraft that DIDNT see action but were constructed in however small numbers you will start to see MANY more LW planes demanded than Allied.

Those damn nazis had hundreds of strange and exotic planes on the drawing board or in the prototype stage.The lists of demands would be ENDLESS!!

if you want an aircraft to match (or come closer to) the me262 on the allied side ask for the latest model P51 (the H was it?) or the P47 (M?). These aircraft , although not jets were incredibly powerfull and fast aircraft.They were much more of a threat to an me262 than any lame half assed meteor design let me assure you

the meteor was not a good fighter.It just looked nice.

I'd like to see you tell one of the veterans of 504 or 616 Sqns that they "didn't see any combat" on their ground attack missions behind enemy lines. That would be a great scene.

Also you might want to read up on the performance of the Meteor III. You are making claims here ("not a good fighter", "lame half assed meteor design") that are not backed up by the facts.

And I don't know why you compare the Meteors with planes that never saw combat (P-51H) or planes that never made it into serial production or even squadron service during the war. Your bias is glowing like ET's heart.

funkedup · « **Reply #140 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:29:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Dare challange it Funked? Do you believe in that your self? Had the Luftwaffe been around anywhere nearby the Meteor I'm quite sure the Meteor Mk III would have caught up with them, it's not as if they could run from it.

You know, the Do335 didn't see any action because the RAF and USAF didn't dare challange it

You can't see the difference?

The Do 335 was stooging around over friendly territory, avoiding combat.

The Meteors were flying at low altitudes over German soil and shooting up German ground forces. The Luftwaffe had plenty of opportunity to challenge it, and they chose not to.

Heinkel · « **Reply #141 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:29:28 PM »

This is called Aces High, not groud attack low. Would rather have some planes added that saw real plane vs plane comabt, then a plane that just did a few straffing runs and V1 intercepts.

- Edit - Not saying I wan't to see another Jet or Do335, they would just booooreeee you to death with BnZ attacks. But if the topic of another jet came up, He162 is the only choice.

funkedup · « **Reply #142 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:40:18 PM »

Yep, blame the Meteor for the Luftwaffe's impotence.

Heinkel · « **Reply #143 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:45:26 PM »

WHy would the LW be scared of the Metor? The LW had trained jet piolts. Their jet piolts had much more expirence then "a few straffing runs". They had been using the 262 longer and had much more combat expirence then the Metor piolts

funkedup · « **Reply #144 on:** September 25, 2002, 06:56:14 PM »

I'm not saying the were afraid of it. They failed to protect their forces in the West from pretty much all Allied aircraft.

Heinkel · « **Reply #145 on:** September 25, 2002, 07:01:11 PM »

i'll agree with that

funkedup · « **Reply #146 on:** September 25, 2002, 07:08:20 PM »

Also:
Me 262 entered service in June 1944
Meteor entered service in July 1944
Yes there were more Me 262's in service and yes they had been in development longer, and yes Me 262's fought bombers well, but by early 1945 I'd bet the most experienced Meteor pilots were at least on par with the most experienced 262 pilots.

The main problem for the Meteor III pilots would have been the 45 mph speed disadvantage. But the Meteor had better climb, much better wingloading, and better armament. Also I don't think the Meteor had the engine reliability problems of the Me 262. So I think it would have been a good scrap, similar to Hurricanes vs. 109s.

whgates3 · « **Reply #147 on:** September 26, 2002, 12:44:45 AM »

262 needed unusually long take off & landing runs (as compared to prop planes) - anyone know if same was true of the Meteor (or the P-80. IMHO, if the Meteor qualifies for AH then so does the P-80, unless V-1s count as air-to-air combat, which it doesn't. nobody counted V-1s kills as real kills [i.e. knocking down 5 V-1s did not make you an 'ace'])

funkedup · « **Reply #148 on:** September 26, 2002, 01:53:41 AM »

Meteor had a much lower wingloading than the 262 and with the Meteor III, a slightly better thrust/weight ratio. So I would imagine the takeoff runs would be shorter. I bet it was still longer than the RAF's prop fighters though.