Tempests vs 190s and 152s, need info

[Hristo]

Please, I need info on where to find combat accounts of Tempests vs 190s ot 152s.

In particular I am interested in fight of Ta 152s of JG301 (Reschke, Sattler and Aufhammer) vs Tempests (Mitchell and unknown pilot). Any accounts, written, photographic, times of day, squad emblems are welcome.

Also, I'd remember I read a story where Pierre Clostermann's flight was bounced by a JG26 Dora from the cloud. Dora shot one or even two Tempests, Clostermann got into position to fire, but Dora pilot tricked him by what seemed like rolling scissors. Eventually, Clostemann got shot. Again, names, places, written accounts, photos...anything.

thanks

[Heinkel]

Tempest vs. 152 Story

[Heinkel]

Flight Lieutenant Eric Thomason DFM DFC, senior officer of 80 Squadron, was leading a flight of four Tempests on a morning armed reconnaissance over the front lines south of Bremen, looking for ground targets to strafe. This flight was a mixture of nationalities; an Australian and a Norwegian, an Englishman and a Pole. After a warning by ground control of enemy aircraft approaching, all thoughts of grounds targets ended, and before long they spotted six black dots against the clouds above and ahead, which grew into six Ta152's making a head-on attack.

     After the first pass, a whirling dogfight developed. Thomason managed to get behind one Ta152, but missed and overshot. Warrant Officer Day, leading the second element, and trailing Thomason, did neither. Meanwhile one Ta152 had got behind the Pole, Sgt Zrodryck, who pulled up into a climb to evade his attacker. Thomason turned and sent a burst of tracer across the 152's nose, discouraging pursuit, and Day (still trailing) fired as well. The German pulled into a climb, and Thomason's Norwegian wingman pulled up after him. Two other 152's came in behind Thomason, firing, and he evaded them in a spiral dive, pulling up after them as they overshot. They tried to turn in on him but he simply zoomed over the top of them as his wingman re-appeared and attacked them. Suddenly Thomason's plane was hit by three shots in the fuselage, his attacker streaking above him, then rolling and diving away.
Just like that, the sky was clear of enemy aircraft. Thomason was out of ammo. So was Day. Together they flew back to base, with no sign of either of their wingmen. Thomason had seen a Tempest going down during the battle, but could not identify it.

[Hristo]

oh, that is some new stuff. Keep it coming

[Wotan]

the last combat loss of a tempest was from a  he163

Theres a story out there some where but i cant find it.

[Heinkel]

Reschke

[Heinkel]

Here is your Dora vs. Tempest story...just not sure what language it's in.

Pierre Clostermann normalmente retornava de
uma missão vitorioso, mas dessa vez ... não

    Por duas vezes meu instinto de perigo não se fez presente. A segunda delas, aconteceu no dia 21 de abril de 1945, quando a guerra estava na iminência de terminar. Eu liderava uma patrulha de cinco Tempests ao longo da estrada que liga Osnabruck a Bremen, por sobre o lago Dummersee. Pilotávamos o melhor caça que a RAF possuía e a guerra estava prestes a terminar. Estávamos super confiantes, mas nas últimas semanas a 1/JG26 havia derrubado 14 Tempests !!!
    Derrepente, um twittler Wulf  "Nariz Comprido", surgiu das nuvens e antes que eu pudésse ter qualquer reação, meu ala esquerda explodia em chamas, para logo em seguida outra explosão acontecer do meu lado direito, e eu só ter tempo de ver o votorioso Fw 190 desaparecer entre as nuvens para surgir em seguida acima da superfície do lago Dummersee.
    Chamei pelo rádio o outro ala, o australiano Bay Adams, e ordenei-o que assumisse o comando da esquadrilha. Disse ainda "Me cubra. Deixe o boche comigo. É um alvo fácil". Essa seria uma frase que ficaria em minha memória...
    ...Empurrei a manete de potência ao máximo, e o Tempest mergulhou  a 800 km/h. Nivelei bem em cima do lago e aproximei-me do Fw a uns 400 metros. Pensei que estivesse com vantagem, pois estava com o Sol por trás. Ajustei o visor, armei os quatro canhões e quando levantei a cabeça o Fw não estava mais lá. Meu Deus, aonde esta o boche?
Esse cara deixou-me aproximar, fazendo-se de morto, e quando estou ajustando o visor desaparece. Quase que por instinto, vislumbro uma sombra acima do meu avião. É o Fw que sobe como um foguete. Automaticamente pucho o manche e subo atrás do alemão, vendo a parte inferior do Fw suja de óleo. Continuo subindo, e derrepente meu Tempest estola. Fico completamente atordoado, pois entrar em um stol num Tempest a menos de 3 000 metros é terminantemente proibido. Estou em pânico. Corto o fio da "overspeed", e faço uma manobra maluca na tentativa de recuperar velocidade, mas onde está o Fw. Perdi-o de novo. Sinto o BANG de um obus na capota do motor e em seguida um outro. Meu coração dispara. A hélica para, e observo fumaça saindo dos escapamentos. Ninguém pode imaginar a sensação que um piloto sente neste momento. Todas as palavras desaparecem e o medo toma conta de seu corpo, mas eu ainda estou vivo.
    Como sempre, foi uma questão de centímetros. O primeiro obus atingiu a blindagem do tanque de combustível, e o que seria se a blindagem não suportasse o impacto. Comecei a planar, se é que posso dizer que um Tempest plana.Eu estava muito baixo para saltar de para-quedas, e por isso entro em pánico de novo. Tento destravar o canopy, para ejeta-lo, mas o mecanismo não funciona. Olho para cima, e vejo uma fuselagem de côr ocre com manchas verdes, faixas vermelha e amarela na cauda e uma cruz preta. Que bela máquina. Faço uma aterrisagem forçada após deslizar por mais de 100 metros de lama...
    ...O D9 balança suas asas e desaparece...
    ... O piloto alemão, era provavelmente Rudi Wurlf da III/JG 301, com 48 vitórias em 8 meses de combate...
    ... A III/JG 301 abateu naquele dia 3 Tempests.

From:
http://www.milavicorner.hpg.ig.com.br/tempest/stories.htm

[Heinkel]

Here, translated

Pierre Clostermann normally returned from a victorious mission, but from this time... not For two times my instinct of danger did not become gift. Second of them, it happened in day 21 of April of 1945, when the war was in the imminence to finish. I led a patrol of five Tempests to the long one of the road that binds to Osnabruck the Bremen, for on the Dummersee lake. We piloted the best hunting that the possuía RAF and the war was gives to finish. We were super confident, but in the last weeks the 14 1/JG26 had knocked down Tempests! Derrepente, a twittler Wulf "Long Nose", appeared of clouds and before I pudésse to have any reaction, my left section blew up in flames, for soon after that another explosion to happen of my right side, and I to only have time to see the votorioso Fw 190 to disappear enters clouds to appear after that above of the surface of the Dummersee lake. I called for the radio the other section, the Bay Australian Adams, and commanded it who assumed the command of the flotilla. It still said "covers Me. Boche with me leaves. It is an easy target ". This would be a phrase that would be in my memory... ... I pushed manete of power to the maximum, and the the 800 Tempest dived km/h. Nivelei in top of the lake and was come close well to the Fw to one 400 meters. I thought that it was with advantage, therefore was with the Sun for backwards. I adjusted the viewfinder, I seted the four cannons and when I raised the head the Fw was not more there. My God, where this boche? This face left to approach me, becoming of deceased, and when I am adjusting the viewfinder disappears. Almost that for instinct, I glimpse a shade above of my airplane. It is the Fw that goes up as a rocket. Automatically pucho the stick and I go up behind the German, seeing the inferior part of the dirty Fw of oil. I continue going up, and derrepente my Tempest stole. I am completely stuned, therefore to enter in one stol in a Tempest to less than 3 000 meters final is forbidden. I am in panic. I cut the wire of "overspeed", and make a maneuver maluca in the attempt to recoup speed, but where it is the Fw. I lost it of new. I feel the BANG of a howitzer in the cowling of the engine and after that one another one. My heart goes off. The hélica for, and I observe smoke leaving the exhaust pipes. Nobody can imagine the sensation that a pilot feels at this moment. All the words disappear and the fear takes account of its body, but I still am I live. As always, it was a question of centimeters. The first howitzer reached the shield of the fuel tank, and what it would be if the shield did not support the impact. I started to glide, if it is that I can say that a Tempest plana.Eu was very low to jump of for-falls, and therefore I enter in pánico of new. I try to unlock canopy, for ejects it, but the mechanism does not function. Eye for top, and I see a côr fuselage ocre with green spots, bands red and turns yellow in the tail and a black cross. That beautiful machine. I make a aterrisagem forced after to slide 100 meters of mud for more than... ... the D9 balances its wing and disappears... ... The German pilot, was probably Rudi Wurlf of III/JG 301, with 48 victories in 8 months of combat... ... III/JG 301 abated in that day 3 Tempests.

[Heinkel]

Dogfight enters the two huntings of engine to the piston most advanced of 2ª World-wide War Stabsshwarm JG301 was a unit that operated You the 152, and its pilots were impressed by its maneuverability. One of them spoke: The characteristics of flight of You the 152, leave stop backwards all the other huntings German. Although I never have piloted Me 262, I have certainty that almost You the 152 are very better when having that to fight the huntings currently allies in operation. Thus, if You the 152 is excellent, the Tempeste also is excellent, who is best? Stabsshwarm JG 301 was operating from Neustadt-Glewe. In day 14 of April, when returning from a mission, two Tempests had started to attack the station of train in Ludwigslust. Three You 152s had taken off immediately, piloted for the Oberstleutant Aufhammer, Oberfeldwebel Sattler and Oberfeldwebel Reschke. By coincidence, our track was pointed extamente in the direction of Ludwigslust, and quickly we made contact with the Tempests inglêses. I flied in the position of nº 3, and suddenly I observed the Oberfeldwebel Sattler to jam itself in the soil. It was impossible that this has been caused for the Tempests, since they badly had in the noticed one. Lost Tinhamos the numerical advantage and now the combat would be two against two! Sabímos that the Tempest was one quick hunting very, used for the British in missions against the Flying Bombs V-1, but aquí, in a combat not more of the one than 50 meters of height, the speed would not have importance. The capacity and the ability in carrying through closed curves would be the decisive factor. The four pilots knew that that one would be a mortal combat, that would only finish when had a winning side, and therefore all its ability would be necessary as well as the to be used tactics. In this altitude no error would be allowed and since that I started to fly You the 152, appreciated for the first time of the deep one of my heart, the maneuvers that this aircraft could carry through. Carrying through more closed curves each time, went to the few approaching me to the Tempest, feeling that he was still far of the limit of capacity of You the 152. E in the way to prevent that I could shoot, the pilot of the Tempest was forced to carry through action very dangerous evasions. In one of these actions, the Tempest skidded brusquely for on the right wing losing sustentation. My first gust made right the Tempest in the tail and the back fuselage. Perhaps for instinct, immediately the English pilot tried a curve for the left, more the result was that its Tempest became a still more easy target for me. He did not have now as the Tempest to escape. I one more time pressured the trigger of my cannons, but after ums few detonations, my cannons had been silenced for more attempts that made, nothing happened. But happily the pilot of the Tempest did not give account of that he was occurring and continued to carry through evazivas actions and I only located myself as if he could attack. We were each time lower, and when carrying through one of these very closed curves, it lost sustentation for on the left wing and was jammed below in the trees. This incident occurred to less of one kilometer of the place where the Oberfeldwebel Sattler had caído.O pilot of the Tempest was neo-zelândes Wt Off J. Mitchell, and both the pilots had been embedded side by side in the following day, in the cemetary of Neustadt-Glewe, with all the military honors. But nor all the pilots German had had chance to fly You the 152. More freqüênte adversary of the Tempest was the Fw 190-D9.

[Heinkel]

Intresting article on Tempest vs. Bf109G-2

The Tempest Mk. V against the Messerschmitt Bf 109G-2 In the 1944 start, one captured Bf 109 G-2 "Gustav", carried through tests of combats against the most modern fighter aircraft of the RAF of that time, the Hawker tempest V. the official reports mostyravam that the German hunting was surpassed for the Tempest in almost all the pointers: . Maximum speed: The possuía Tempest an advantage of 40-50 mph when flying unless 20 000 feet, but this advantage quickly ceased above this altitude. Reason of Ascent: The reason of ascent of Bf 109 was superior of the Tempest in all the altitudes, but it was not excellently bigger from the 5 000 feet. When both the aircraft started a diving in the same speed and recouped, the possuía Tempest a small better performance, but if possuía it the advantage of the speed, Bf 109 was incapable of seguiz it. Diving: Long comparative divings, had shown that the Tempest would obtain to escape of Bf 109, even so in the beginning of the diving the German hunting were faster Ray of curve: It was observed that the Tempest was slightly superior to Bf 109. Reason of Turn: To the 350 speeds below of mph, both the aircraft possess performance the same, but above of this speed the Tempest it is very superior to the German hunting, obtaining to execute brusque changes of direction Conclusions: In one it has attacked, the Tempest can always follow Bf 109, except when this ingrime carries through an ascent very. In combat, the Tempest must keep its high speed. In the defense, it can make any thing, less try to escape going up to the low speeds.