Author Topic: Faulty Divebomb and Precision bombsites?? (Read 840 times)

steely07 · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2002, 03:10:13 AM »

Vega
"BDA after trying another drop on the IPI instead of the crosshairs.
In this case, neither dropping on the crosshairs or the IPI worked. (edit) . In addition, there seems to be no calibration correction for winds. So even with the above problems solved, if you fly in some sort of wind layer like at 15,500 ft., you will miss the target"

bozon · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:55:52 AM »

HT:

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Bozon try the same test over water, the 2 won't line up until the green sight crosses over the target alt. Over water the alt is always the same. And whe you gents say the green sight is off, i need to know how much.

There is also bomb dispersion in 1.10 i.e. bombs will not hit exatly where the green would show. error will increase with alt.

thx for the reply HT.
I'm aware of ground altitudes and did all the tests over 0 alt terrain (coast fields, comming from the ocean).

since the "precision" bomb sight and the "dive" bombsight overlap, i suppose that in a perfectly calibrated "normal" norden bombsight they should too. and they usually do get pretty close.

however, here are some test results (spread over 3 posts):
here is a bomb run using the precision and dive sights enabled.
you can see the moment of release captured and the impact point (too long as always). this was done with a B17 at a 0 alt base, coming from the ocean side at ~15k.
the other hole in the ground is from the first bombrun in which i forgot to capture screen - but the bomb fell at about the same location.

bozon · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:02:35 PM »

now, this is on the same VH, "normal" Norden sight and dive sight enabled.

clibration brought them both close to the center (in this particular case they came out very close. usually they are a little apart). at the top, you can see the norden calibration data. again the hit is too long

bozon · « **Reply #18 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:10:41 PM »

here is the pic, (microcrap win-dos went beserk and crashed while posting..

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bozon · « **Reply #19 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:18:13 PM »

again!

last attempt:

bozon · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:22:23 PM »

ok worked.

the last one is an attemp to predict how much I need to drop before the target. the calibration was done in a haste, and the aiming I did with the green dive sight.

as it happens, the norden sight is ahead of the dive sight just enough to make it almost accurate.

I bombed the FH on the same base as the pics before, same alt and speed. there are more details around to estimate distances with:

AKIron · « **Reply #21 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:25:53 PM »

Seeing very much the same thing on my end Bozon. Some in my squad claim to be able to bomb accurately. Wonder if there could be something different between patching 1.09 to 1.10 vs a full 1.10 install?

'course, it could be some in my squad are full of sh*t

Soda · « **Reply #22 on:** July 08, 2002, 12:36:02 PM »

Great work. I was having the exact same problem, bombs always landing long, and figured it was something to do with my technique. I was beating myself up trying to figure out what I was doing wrong in calibrating but maybe it wasn't my problem, it was a bug.

I had a couple of squaddies telling me they could bomb properly but I couldn't... strange.

-Soda
The Assassins.

Pongo · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2002, 01:57:53 PM »

Not really ..some of us are competent.

AKIron · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2002, 04:00:18 PM »

Turned on precision bombing and used the green crosshairs for level bombing (B26). Is it correct to assume that this then functions as did the 1.09 crosshairs? Using the green crosshair only I still hit late, same as before.

Not sure if you were pointing out the same thing with your pics bozon, if so I'm hitting about as late as you.

bozon · « **Reply #25 on:** July 08, 2002, 04:34:05 PM »

btw, I've read in the Q&A forum, that HTC know of this bug and relate it to wind.

there was no wind when I took those pics. I did use wind setings to shorten climb and extending times, but I ALWAYS tuned it off when turned into the bomb leg.

Bozon

AKIron · « **Reply #26 on:** July 08, 2002, 04:45:56 PM »

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Originally posted by bozon
btw, I've read in the Q&A forum, that HTC know of this bug and relate it to wind.

there was no wind when I took those pics. I did use wind setings to shorten climb and extending times, but I ALWAYS tuned it off when turned into the bomb leg.

Bozon

Not sure we read the same post Bozon. Here's an extract:

"The green cross in the training arena should show the impact point of the bombs but we just found a bug in that sight that will be fixed in the next patch."

Didn't say it was wind related, does sound like they found the problem though.

guttboy · « **Reply #27 on:** July 08, 2002, 08:53:38 PM »

Hi Guys,

not sure if this helps but HITECH was on today and stated that there IS a bug in the bombing stuff. The bombs were not coded with drag in the update...as a result bombs will drop long if perfectly calibrated.

he said this would be fixed in the patch.

Regards

bozon · « **Reply #28 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:00:04 PM »

oops AKIron, you are right...
got 2 sentences crossed there when reading it

sorry.
Bozon

Anvil · « **Reply #29 on:** July 08, 2002, 11:13:12 PM »

So, when the bug is fixed...will the expert v1.10 bombers, like PONGO, no longer be experts???