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Offline Udie

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« on: July 08, 2002, 04:15:48 PM »
sigh.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A38541-2002Jul8.html


 I saw the video on msnbc this morning.  I wonder if these cops ever read the constitution?  I Know they have tough jobs, but come on man this is freakin rediculous.  Slammed the boy's head on the car then that big dude popped him in the face.

 I know we have police officers that read this board and play the game.  I respect you guys for the job you do. But you know it's this kind of roadkille that makes me wonder if we should have people with this much power over other citizens.  I know deep down in my soul that most police officers are doing what they think is best for their community, well at least I hope so.  

 What do you police type folks think of when you see this kind of stuff?  What if you saw it on the job, would you say or do anything to stop it while it was happening?     Is this just a job to you or do you look at it like you are actually protecting civilian citizens?   This young man was neither protected or served IMO....

 Let me say that this is not ment to piss off a cop :)  You guys do have it tough out there,  I know I grew up in Houston......

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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2002, 04:23:49 PM »
1.  Its the post.

2.  What sells papers?

3.  My wife lived in L.A. for 4 years.  Its where she learned to be afraid of the police.

I'd actually like to see the film.  I'd hope there was also audio.  I don't know that someone can actually say something that merrits being punched while handcuffed... but I'd like to hear it regardless.

I find it curious that the passenger was handcuffed at all.  I wonder if the film shows things leading up to that point.

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2002, 04:34:44 PM »
He obviously didn't heed this PSA.

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2002, 04:49:08 PM »
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
1.  Its the post.

2.  What sells papers?

3.  My wife lived in L.A. for 4 years.  Its where she learned to be afraid of the police.

I'd actually like to see the film.  I'd hope there was also audio.  I don't know that someone can actually say something that merrits being punched while handcuffed... but I'd like to hear it regardless.

I find it curious that the passenger was handcuffed at all.  I wonder if the film shows things leading up to that point.

AKDejaVu



 the part I saw started off with the perp (a little police lingo for ya there :D) face down on the ground already cuffed.  They then lifted him up off the ground and SLAMMED him on the trunk or hood (couldn't tell which)  then one cop makes a fist over his face, holds it there a couple of seconds and then pops him right in the face.  It was a big dude too!!!   I don't know what led up to him being cuffed in the first place, but I don't care!  Nobody deservse that treatment once te cuffs are on.  

 Let me ask you this, I've always wondered this....  Let's say I get arrested.  I'm a peaceful type guy I doubt I would resist in any way.  But I'm also skinny and stuff hurts my arms easy, cause I got no muscles there to cushin the blow...   So let's say that while they are putting the cuffs on me it scrapes the bone on my arm and I flinch in pain,  am I now "resisting" arrest?  Could that get me clobbered or sat on?   I watch cops alot and am always amazed at how rough the cops are with people.   I can understand after a car chase or foot chase that the cop's nerves will be rattled and the adrinaline will be up, but once the cuffs are on I can see no justification for this type of action.


 Again this isn't pointed at all or even most cops, just the bad ones that give you guys a bad name.

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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2002, 04:56:17 PM »
I tend to agree Udie... once the cuffs are on... I just can't see it being merrited.  I think I said that above.

I'd still like to see and hear all of what happened.

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2002, 05:08:28 PM »
I saw it, and I was waiting to hear the cops side of the story before commenting. The film is very damning to say the least. I think the cop that body slams the kid is the same one that hits him. You can see him kind of shaking out his fist after hitting the kid (he hurt his knuckles). This was a stop for expired plates IIRC and the kid got belligerent. Never saw the Post article, don't think sensationalism is too much of a factor in this story DJ.

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2002, 06:06:47 PM »
Whoa, slow down. This is not  LAPD.

It's Inglewood PD. There are valid concerns I'm sure, even though I havn't seen the tape.

Remember, we weren't there either. Lets get all the facts.

Edit: Didn't want to kill the thread. As someone who investigates these kinds of incidents, if it took place post-handcuffing, that is a pretty good sign that the Inglewood PD officer in the video has some 'splaining to do. There would be criminal charges of misdemeanor battery at least.

I can't imagine circumstances that would warrant hitting someone after they've been handcuffed. :(

Must add, in the "cop culture" around where I am, that act would be considered a sick and "popsicle" thing to do.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2002, 07:07:54 PM »
Well, most know my law enforcement background, so I'll add my piece.

Don't care what the kid did. Once the cuffs were on, thats the end of it. IMO, total mis-use of force.

I've been there, many times when an officer was assaulted, cut, shot, etc. Not our place to carry out judgements.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2002, 07:10:43 PM »
Don't know anything about this situation, but had I just pulled the skinny perp off a little girl, I would pound him with the cuffs on.

Just an example of a situation.

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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2002, 07:13:49 PM »
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Don't know anything about this situation, but had I just pulled the skinny perp off a little girl, I would pound him with the cuffs on.

Just an example of a situation.


Are you/have you been a police officer?

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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2002, 07:22:34 PM »
That's a bit extremem gadfly and has little to do with what is being talked about here.

I agree with you Apache and respect your experience on the subject.  But that's the reason I'd never have considered being a police officer... I couldn't deal with some people in a reasonable manner.  The thing is... some of the cops out there suffer from the same dillema.

I'm still curious as to what pushed this one over the edge.

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« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2002, 07:33:07 PM »
Gotta agree that there's no reason to hit somebody once the cuffs are on (or once he's under control with or without cuffs).  If I hit someone who says something I don't like. That’s battery plain and simple, I go to jail.  

If a cop can't control himself in a stressful situation, he should find another line of work.

Growing up I met a lot of cops (I'm sure they where not the majority but they where the ones that made the most contact with kids) who if they where not cops they would be in prison before their mid 20's. They where nothing but thugs who became cops because 'they get to kick bellybutton and get away with it.' (Actual quote from a cop I overheard in a restaurant).

A lot of the problems cops have are brought on because they protect this type of sleaze instead of coming forward and testifying against them.

When I was a kid I hated cops, and all my friends hated them too.  And it was the cops who looked at us and decided we where a problem without knowing anything about us and hassled us; they set the tone for how I felt about cops for at least the next 10 years.

And it hasn't changed in the last 20+ years. I see the same thing happen with my son.  They see the skateboard, the weird hair, and punk music, all on a 17 year old kid.

So every time he's out and he runs into a cop there's no courtesy, no 'hi I'm officer xxx, how's it going?"

 He’s more likely to get stopped when skating to a friends house with "what are you running from" or "what kind of drugs do you got on ya" or other crap like that, constantly making every contact with him confrontational.

And when I try to tell him they aren't his enemy I look like a handsomehunk because they've been teaching him that they are his enemy.

So my honor student who I raised to be responsible in his community, carry his own weight in society, respect the laws and other peoples rights and property, the kid who voluntarily takes care of lawns for widows in our church, free of charge, volunteers at the church nursery so mothers can attend service, and mentors grade school kids in the neighbor hood teaching them to skate while talking to them about doing their part at home and in school.  He goes out on the street and these love muffines in uniform use a few minutes contact to put the lie to all the things that I try to teach him.

Because on the street the cops are the symbol, they represent the law. And if they can't follow the law, why should he try?

Btw at this point I'm 36 years old and never once in my life have I ever heard myself or anyone else say, "cool the cops are here"

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2002, 07:44:44 PM »
Anybody seen what happened before the video started? Who was there to see what started it? Do we have ALL the facts?

My department rule is that once the cuffs are on and control is achieved, all forceful physical control contact must stop.

Now, what ensued to elevate the adrenaline level of the officer? Was an officer's life threatened?

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« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2002, 07:52:30 PM »
I can't see as it really matters what happened before the video.  if the cuffs are on and they guy is getting hit, that prety much tells the story.  

what happened before may help you understand what triggered the action from the cop (if he even needs a trigger) but it wont excuse it.

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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2002, 08:03:26 PM »
Well I've said it and heard it capt.

The local PD's in So. Calif. differ a great deal. In my home town, they are known for being curteous and decent. They are still this way AFAIK, because my former HS & College friend is now the Chief.

OTOH the cops in the town where I live now (10 miles away) are not quite the same. I have had some good experiences with them recently, but overall they are just unhelpful and surly. There has been some nationally broadcast problems with them actually (Riverside County Sherrifs). You all may recall the girl that was shot while she was sleeping in her car. Had a gun on her lap, and the cops got itchy when she was startled awake. Then there was the truckload of illegals that 2 local deputies stopped after a chase and proceded to kick the crap out of whoever they could catch. I guess they forgot about the local news chopper overhead.. recording everything.

Inglewood is an almost completely minority community and it looked like at least 3 or 4 of the cops in the video were white. I wonder how long before the race card will be played in this one?