Author Topic: This Friday The Kuriels, AUG 1945 (Read 1141 times)

brady · « **on:** July 17, 2002, 04:25:05 PM »

I will be reruning the Aug. 1945 set up from a couple weeks ago it only ran for 3 days, and I am going to enable a US CV, to give more depth to the plane set, 95% of the battle will still be caried by the Russians howeaver:)

HFMudd · « **Reply #1 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:36:22 PM »

The CHOG will available on that CV no?

My, that would certainly "add some depth."

Löwe · « **Reply #2 on:** July 17, 2002, 06:39:33 PM »

Oaky so we get to fight all the freakin UberRusskies, plus the F4U1C?, and F4U4?
With Zekes Ki-61s, and N1k1s, what a fun idea!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget the Spit14s, it wont be a good bashing without it. I am making plans for my many cyberfunerals as we speak.

Sorry Brady, Love your work and appreciate all you do, but this USSR IJ things a stinker, and If your going to add the late war American stuff as well, it going to be a very long week. I know it's just my opinion. There are a lot of guys that prob love it, but they'll all be in LA's, F4U4's.
Oh well "Duty is as heavy as a mountain, while death is a light as a feather"
How do I get outta this chicken outfit???

oboe · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2002, 07:48:07 AM »

Lowe's got a point, Brady.

I'm sure you don't set these up with IJ bashing in mind, but IMO, the late war Russian/USN against a decidedly midwar IJ aircraft mix is not very balanced.

The Japanese side will probably be outnumbered and turn to the N1K for surviveability. Gaggles of N1Ks and F4U-1Cs is not what I hope for in the CT.

This setup will improve greatly though, if and when AH gets more Japanese a/c -- particularly the Ki.84.

~~though - I know you are a proponent of more late-war Japanese a/c in the game, and I thank you for running CT setups that include the Japanese. It still beats the MA!~~

gofaster · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:25:12 AM »

I didn't play the Kuriel set up. What is the plane set, exactly?

I would recommend
. La-5FN
. Yak 9T
. IL-2
. F4F
. FM-2
. SBD
. A6M5
. Ki-61
. Japanese bomber and divebomber (can't remember names offhand - Dinah and Val?)

This would give 2 VVS fighters, 1 VVS bomber, 2 USN fighters, 1 USN bomber, 2 IJN fighters, 2 IJN bombers. I think this would give a balanced plane set to both sides, with a slight edge to IJN for bombing, but a slight edge to VVS/USN for fighters.

You could have 1 USN carrier with the F4F, FM-2, and SBD and a Japanese carrier with the A6M5 and Val(?) so that both sides would have equal navies, or otherwise base the A6M5 and Val on land bases.

I wouldn't want to see the La-7, F4U-C or -D, or N1K2 because these planes already get a lot of flight time in the MA. Part of the joy of the CT is that it allows me to fly planes that would be eaten alive in the MA.

I'd rather suffer from historical inaccuracy than suffer from unequal planesets.

keyapaha · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2002, 09:48:08 AM »

sorry lowe and oboe i have to disagree with ya on this one i love this set up yes the russians have the speed(but speed dont kill the pilot ability does) but i am one to fight as the underdog the russians arent hard to beat , the trick is to make them lose there patiance and with that they will lose there E advantage trying crazy manuvers they would not normally do thinking that speed is all they need to rack up kills.

I do not see the need for the f4u in this set up and the la7 should be perked a little the other planes the yaks with low ammo loadouts and la5 are not that hard to dispatch they are frail espiecialy in the radiator only takes a few hits to cause them to leak and they will not run long .

we will definatly have our work cut out for us in the 27th

HFMudd · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2002, 11:04:51 AM »

Brady can correct me if I'm wrong. But I think that when he speaks of giving some depth to the plane set, what is is trying to do is to provide the Russians with a Jabo that is not a sitting duck. The Yak is of zero value in this regard and the La-5 and La-7 have very small bomb loads. (But the La-5 is great plane to do a hammerhead dive bombing approach in if you have not tried it.) As such the addition of US Naval planes seems a reasonable addition.

I do think though that the CHOG is borderline overkill. Might a few "captured" ME110G2's fill the Jabo hole for the Russians?

Disclaimer: The above in the opinion of a player who has the "skills" to be shot down by any plane in the planeset regardless of what he is flying.

Löwe · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2002, 05:45:56 PM »

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Originally posted by keyapaha
sorry lowe and oboe i have to disagree with ya on this one i love this set up yes the russians have the speed(but speed dont kill the pilot ability does) but i am one to fight as the underdog the russians arent hard to beat , the trick is to make them lose there patiance and with that they will lose there E advantage trying crazy manuvers they would not normally do thinking that speed is all they need to rack up kills.

Honorable Keyapaha.............. "
Are you out of your F$%king mind??"

Sorry a little Cheech and Chong humor was called for.

I respect your opinon most honorable Keyapaha, may I have your Saki and Geisha rations when you fail to return?

Good nothing better than a confidence, I feel better all ready...
Don't I???

brady · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2002, 08:37:09 PM »

Comrads, The US planes are only available off The One and Only US CV in the game, and The Coursares are not uber, they die prety easy if you ask me, in fact I got so many kills aganst them in my George I went to the Tony and still did ok.

Lets face it a Blue plane is a blue plane if u are a Japanese player, they all handel like a "hog on ice" and they all are faster, they all cary at least twice the ordance and are imo, easy to kill in a Japanese plane. So it doesent realy mater how many of them their are available. Also they nead not be perked since they realy hold no serious advantage over the Japanese plane that is their competiour, the George.

The Russian planes only advantage is in spead, in all other catagories they are inferiour.

I ran this set up and play tested it my self, I found no glaring gaps in play balence, if it appears I was mistaken as the week goes on then I will make adjustments.

Clearly we nead more Japanes planes, but the simple fact that the Allied player has more choices at his disposal has absoluty nothing to do with playabality from the Japanese side of it.

The secondary reasion for adding a CV is to allow those squads who like CV's to be able to do somthing with it, and provide an enviourment for them to be able to use their favorate planes.

I sugest you come in and Give it a go tomarow, you may find that it is fun:)

ergRTC · « **Reply #9 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:42:59 PM »

I thank you for adding the cv brady. Chog is not really that necessary. fm2s will be nice. Just as long as I dont have to fly that russian crap I will be happy.

erg

vf-27

"the guys in the sentai used to squeak about not having hogs...."

hehe low blow. sorry. Just glad to see that pos setup that is in there now leave.

brady · « **Reply #10 on:** July 18, 2002, 10:49:48 PM »

You will have your C hog mate, and the F4U4 as well.( their my favorate to kill:) )

WildBlue · « **Reply #11 on:** July 19, 2002, 12:47:00 AM »

Hehe... by the other posts... people are worried about fairness... lemme tell ya what... there is NO such word! Niki's, nope, not my style... Now a patiently flown zeke or tony... lookout, I'll be on your 6 faster than you can say "oh Sh*t"! And, I will kill you... one way or another. As long as I have my jap iron, heheh, but I would rather square off with corsairs. Easier that way, in the long run.

Löwe · « **Reply #12 on:** July 19, 2002, 07:21:48 AM »

Thanks Brady
~~I've got my whine button safety wired to overide this month.~~

SKurj · « **Reply #13 on:** July 19, 2002, 09:29:52 PM »

Bradys... I seriously question your motives...

Free F4u4's????

Ok right now the US cv is within easy reach of axis bases.. and guess what... 75% F4u4's flying about...

A free F4u4 i would have no problems with if there was a free ki-84 in the set...
let alone the la7 yaku's

This current planeset only highlights the weakness of the japanese planeset in AH which I know you have been very vocal about in the past.
If thats your goal (to improve it) <$> man!! I too want to see some of the other planesets expanded.

Be nice to see an historical japanese torp added too!!!
kinda tough to kill that one CV with no real jabo's or buffs to speak of.

BUT, i won't be flying this CT setup no mo, or any other 'late' war setup that contains the japanese planeset standing alone.

SKurj

brady · « **Reply #14 on:** July 19, 2002, 11:48:13 PM »

I think you may be ocer reacting, I watched a Guy kill two F4U$'s in a tony then got a couple my self, they are not uber imo, and the Japanese have the TBM for the sake of replacing the Grace, also the KI 67 has it's torp, and I watched 3 gues sing the US CV while it was being defended.

The Ki 84 is not going to uppreform the Geroge with that much of a wide margine the US planes will still be faster.

All the US late war planes are faster than the Japanes planes, and will always be.

I am sory you think this is wacked, but I just do not see it.

The La 7 is and will always be just faster.

Like I stated above it does not mater that the Allies have X number of planes to pick from and the Japanes have X number of planes to pick from. To the Japanese a blue plane is a blue plane they are faster and handel horably. The Japanese planes will always out manuaver them and their is wheir they get their kill this will always be the way it is no mater what plane is added to the plane set.

The only way around it is NOT to do a late war plane set. Seriously I see a lot of US planes going down it does not seam unbalenced at all. The f4U4 imo is WAY overated.