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Offline -tronski-

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« on: July 27, 2002, 08:56:58 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2002, 09:06:32 AM »
News at the radio told about 66 deads and 67 wounded....

Terrible day for aviation...
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2002, 09:32:53 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2002, 09:56:31 AM »
Good to hear the 2 crewmen ejected successfully before their aircraft plowed into the crowd. :rolleyes:

Prayers go out to the victims.

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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2002, 04:37:55 PM »
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Good to hear the 2 crewmen ejected successfully before their aircraft plowed into the crowd. :rolleyes:

Prayers go out to the victims.

Lonz


You think there was anything they could do once the wingtip hit the ground? Go down with their plane, as to avoid critizism and rolling eye emoticons?
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2002, 04:53:11 PM »
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Good to hear the 2 crewmen ejected successfully before their aircraft plowed into the crowd. :rolleyes:

Prayers go out to the victims.

Lonz


what an uneeded comment.  The situation is bad enough without that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2002, 04:56:26 PM »
Bad safety measures

definitly

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poor children i would not want to step in those pilots shoes

Seeing ur plane crash in the crowd would not be something to sleep with easily.

But seen it to much those formerly soviet pilots are fast ejecters IMHO
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« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2002, 05:05:38 PM »
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But seen it to much those formerly soviet pilots are fast ejecters IMHO



WTF are you supposed to do?
Wait till your plane has no wings left to decide there is nothing you can do and eject?
A pilot knows when he cant save the plane. And only fools with a death wish stay inside thinking a miracle will happen.
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« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2002, 05:44:36 PM »
I think they are dare devils
showing the plane on the edge.

they only calculate the ejection seat and no other safety measures
yes they are trained to eject to bad they don't calculate there would be a plane coming down to

but hell.. i think they doing it all to risky
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2002, 06:17:18 PM »
My understanding is that at US airshows anyway the planes never, ever, point at the crowd (the crowd is always on one side of the runway and the forward vector of the performers can come no closer than parallel to that runway).  I wonder if such a rule would have helped here- lots of pilots seem to die at U.S. airshows but I do not recall ever hearing of any spectator deaths.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2002, 07:38:06 PM »
I saw the crash on one of our national news stations. Only they didn't speak over the clip. Made it a little more scary to be able to hear the panic.

At the end of the story they also mentioned when a similar accident last happend. They said it was at an airshow on a US/NATO airbase in Germany and also showed a video clip.
I believe they said it happend in '88, but not 100% sure.


Ok, I just found the clip.
It was 3 italian aircrafts that collided at an US airshow in Ramstein (sp?), Germany in 1988, where 70 got killed and 400+ injured.

This clip also shows the Ukrainian crash more detailed than the above I think. There is a cut in the clip, but it appear that the pilots don't eject, until the plane actually clips the ground.
I'm not sure, since they change to a different camera, but I can't see them ejecting on the first clip and the SU-27 gets very close to the ground there (if it doesn't hit). When the second clip starts, they are already catapulted out while the plane tumble.

Sorry, but not english speak.

http://www1.dr.dk/pubs/nyheder/template/lib/ram.jhtml?multimediaID=42685
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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2002, 07:45:43 PM »
Cc it was at Ramstein, when 3 planes of the italian patrol collided. One was flying towards the crowd at this time and crashed into it. I think it happened in the late 80's.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2002, 08:29:02 PM »
The Ukrainian aviation authority does not have the same airshow safety regulations as we have in the west.
In the west, you can't direct any energy towards the crowd.

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« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2002, 08:39:27 PM »
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My understanding is that at US airshows anyway the planes never, ever, point at the crowd (the crowd is always on one side of the runway and the forward vector of the performers can come no closer than parallel to that runway).  I wonder if such a rule would have helped here- lots of pilots seem to die at U.S. airshows but I do not recall ever hearing of any spectator deaths.


This is true. Unfortunately, the airshows aren't nearly as exciting now as they were when I was a kid...

Guess that's the price of safety.
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2002, 09:54:12 PM »
How sad.  :(
I was at an airshow today.  There but by the grace of God...


BTW Planes at US airshows routinely point at and go over the crowd.  Blue Angels, prop acro planes, WWII fighters, etc.
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