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Offline BTHayze

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« on: October 01, 2002, 09:50:35 AM »
:mad:  Ok, what is with some of these people? I have tried to fly Allied twice,but some guy..most of you who fly SN's regularly know.. has no clue wtf he is doing.

Last week, this guy..or should I say child of about 12 he seems.. tried to lead the squadron of F4U-1D's against the japs. He hadn't the slightest clue how to fly one. He was one one of the, if not the, first to go.

When I first came in..he was lecturing everyone how the Zero turned better (which it does) than the F4U, but how THE ZERO WAS FASTER.
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Offline BTHayze

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« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2002, 10:01:52 AM »
:mad:

Anyhow..this GUY was preaching about how the zero was faster than Corsair...Then he told all the F4U's to stay in one lump tight together. What did he think we were gonna do, plow right through them? Those zero's had a higher cap than us, they would just dive on us... and since I did what I was told, I was right.

I just feel that someone with almost no experience whatsoever in that type of plane should step down. So far, we have lost what..3 weeks in a row =\ .

Don't get me wrong, he is stepping up and trying...but..yeah. Makes me mad when someone thinks  they know what they are doin and their stupidity gets us killed. (The Zero's had a 20k cap, allies in F4U's had 15k.....and the guy wanted us to stay in one tight bunch..suicidal? I think so.)

Anyone who was there knows... he tried to justify himself gettin shot down. Which is ok, sometimes you can't avoid it. But he pulled up in the F4U and tried to go UP and shoot them zero's with more alt. Well, duh, when one of them gets on his 6 (like that wasn't coming if you burn your E), he stalls out! He says the stall was intentional, to get around the Zero...but whatever.

Whether it was intentional or not, it was dumb. First off...if was was not intentional.. wtf was he doin LEADING F4U's into a battle, and sucked so bad in them he couldn't even fly em...
And if it was intentional... Zero's outturn corsair..heck anything..just about any day. So, as you "purposely stall"..all the zero has to do and swing around on you.. (not to mention the 20 zillion other Zero's up there that night..why stall up into them?...)

So anyhow, Axis powers ;) You guys are stompin us.. and good job at the Zero/Corsair showdown. But this week.. Ponies at Focke-Wulf's.... yah might not be so lucky :D

Anyone know how someone else can CO the Allies this week? Because honestly, if that same kid is the CO...I won't fly with him. I'll go Rogue. Or or or.. I'll be a traitor and shoot him down since Killshooter is off.....:rolleyes:

(is it just a matter of gettin their first?)
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Offline Nefarious

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2002, 02:04:16 PM »
Yes, I Usually head to the SEA around 2045-2100 EST, If you happen to be there, ASK. Its great to have volunteers, that usually helps the snapshot roll on time.

Thats all you have to do...

Normally we assign people, Wotan and Hienkel, Usually gladly accept for the Axis.

And this Weds Snapshot, is about Jugs and Focke Wulfs not ponies.
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« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2002, 03:04:35 PM »
If you think you can do better then step up.  When vets don't C.O. then you have problems with leadership in Snapshots. We have some excellent leaders in this sim but they don't "always" want to lead. If your not liking who is leading then take their place.
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Offline BTHayze

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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2002, 03:05:14 PM »
Oy. Then I was miss informed >.< Secondary sources aren't always the best, it shows =P And..I will try and get there really early then.
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« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2002, 03:29:48 PM »
um but didnt the aliies win that snapshot by 1 plane?
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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2002, 03:40:00 PM »
last weeks? with the Corsair and Zero's? If Allies one, it must have been at the very end like you are suggesting. Because, throughout the whole thing, Allies were gettin butts kicked....

and daddog ;) I already planned to do make an attempt on that
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« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2002, 04:45:41 PM »
Ya thats the one I was the last zero flying. Pretty sure I read that allies had won by one plane. I could be wrong tho bigmax had the info on that.
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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2002, 04:59:08 PM »
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last weeks? with the Corsair and Zero's? If Allies one, it must have been at the very end like you are suggesting. Because, throughout the whole thing, Allies were gettin butts kicked....

and daddog ;) I already planned to do make an attempt on that


Not sure who won in the end but, The opening of the whole thing was dominated by the higher zeros, once we started to lose alt, and the f4u's started to climb, things started to change.  The sheer speed of the f4u makes them difficult targets for a zero.
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2002, 07:13:26 AM »
"A mistake is evidence that somebody tried to achieve something"

Anonymous

I do hope that if you make a mistake then your countrymen will be a little more forgiving.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2002, 09:04:59 AM »
A bad CO doesnt force you to fly poorly yourself.

I will be blunt. I simply could not believe the # of F4Us that were lost in that Snapshot, alt advantage or no. They have a @20-50 mph speed advantage, depending on alt.

My flight stayed *fast* and we lost one out of six, and we landed six kills, so it was possible to rtb that one I think.

There is some responsibility on the part of the individual to make an effort is what I am saying.

Dont take bad advice if its given. I live by that, because often the COs are newbies, sometimes they are not, but sometimes they certainly are. Wing up with somebody and fly smart, within the general mission goals, being in an event squad helps a LOT btw.

I also agree with forgiveness, its to be commended that an inexperienced player would give it a shot, irregardless, we all started somewhere. I remember my first Scen Light in Warbirds, I got nominated and said "who, me???" hehe.

Regards.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2002, 09:08:45 AM »
A mistake is somebody trying to do something he or she does not know how to do and is trying to learn how to do it. I think the problem is not that he or she made a mistake but that he or she was talking with out knowing and that is just plain ignorant and that was the problem. I just hope Mr Hayze get's the chance to lead this next snapshot with the big heavy jugs. I got your wing BTHayze (S). :D
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Offline Chanter

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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2002, 10:46:34 PM »
Funny thing is, when the call for COs goes out all you hear are crickets.  He tried, that's what counts.  He'll get better with experience.  Pretty cheap, slamming him on the boards.  You don't like it?  Lead the next one.

Nothing saying you couldn't extend through the initial encounter at 300+ mph and grab some alt to re-enter the fight.  Ultimately you're responsible for your own behind.
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2002, 11:20:00 PM »
I ran the event in question...

I'd just like to point out that I asked ALL of you for a volunteer and the only one who rogerred up was the person in question... Yes he is young, and yes he might have made a mistake or two... But, he sure has massive "marbles" to attempt to get in there and function as CO.  Additionally, he CO'd the week before too...  If you have this much heartburn with his leadership style/ability, perhaps you'll volunteer for the next CO job?

It's kinda like complaining about the current president's foreign policy, but you yourself choosing not to vote..

I personally applaud him for his efforts, he will be the next generation of player that has the "S" on his chest.
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2002, 11:22:14 PM »
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um but didnt the aliies win that snapshot by 1 plane?


was actually two planes....
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