Whine! WTF with Bigweek Registration?

[AN]

FWIW, I've seen many different kinds of scenario registration, and this kind is my favorite.

anRky

[Vermillion]

Dowding wrote:  

To please everyone is impossible.

I couldn't agree more, having done this myself many times before.

But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. This was the wrong way.

And Nash, your right too that if you announce a specific time, someone will still have a hard time making the signup time. But at least they have a chance to make other arrangements or something. Then, at least you have given everyone an equal chance.

Me? I couldn't give a toejam.  I usually fly Axis in most scenarios anyway, becaue I enjoy the challenge.

Hell, the people that just read the boards once or twice a week probably still don't even know there is a scenario. Let alone one where the prime slots are already gone. No, I don't disagree that flying the "non-popular" rides can be fun, but thats not the point.

Creamo, piss off. I didn't bring it to anyones attention. In fact I wasn't going to say a single word, until the thread was already here. And then I only posted because everyone was jumping on Midnights back, as if he was just being a whiner. He wasn't, and his point was very valid.

So attack me any way you want, since I'm sure thats what will come next. Insult me, insult my flying, call my grandmother a cheap pox ridden potato. But that doesn't change the facts of what happened.

[Seeker]

No one way works for all, it never did, in any of the games we come from.

However, just as sign up squeaking is a fact of life, so are no shows, and that's where some one like Blue Mako can make a very positive contribution.

Point 1) there will be gaps. Perhaps not in frame 1, but certainly in others. Any one who wants in a particular group would be well advised to contact an existant group member of a differeing time zone and co-ordinate covering each other's slots in case of RL difficulties; and communicating that cover to the group leader. It'll lighten his manning worries.

Point 2) Few people are experienced in flying their scenario rides in scenario conditions, and this is where unit training and formation *really* pays off. It's also a great oppertunity for specialists such as the TAS and some of the staffelen to offer their knowledge up for the common good, to contribute and to in effect "book" replacement slots.

You really don't _have_ to fly to make a difference in a good scenario, any more than you had to fly to be part of the war effort.

This is how teams are made.

[DamnedATC]

It's absurd to NOT ALLOW Walkons.  There is always people who do not show up.  

Allow walkons please

ATC

351st BG   Bigweek Scenario

[Rude]

Looks to me like we have alot of folks who have not flown scenarios before.

How can you argue with the CM's about organization, etc., when you guys who are whinin obviously haven't been around the block before regarding these types of events? If you say you have and are whinin about how it's being done, then you have always been a whiner...probably could find something wrong with whatever effort was made.

What I find most humorous is that so many of you are complaining, but if you had to organize and pull off an event of this size...well, suffice it to say, if ya haven't walked in their shoes...understand? Probably not.

I think it's great what they are doing...I myself tried to register for this event a few minutes ago and was also disapointed that I cannot fly US fighter aircraft...especially the 51. To whine about it like a spoiled kid is silly....only a limited number of spots are available...you either get one or ya don't. How hard is this to understand?

Like my loving mom used to say to me when I was a little turd..."Life isn't fair boy!" "The sooner you realize that the happier you're gonna be!"

Oh well, none of you will get it anyway and probably will turn on me for saying what I've said, so, at least next weeks Whine of the Week will be an easy one


 

[SOB]

Originally posted by Vermillion:
I couldn't agree more, having done this myself many times before.

But there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. This was the wrong way.

Verm, while I respect that you've done this before and appreciate all the hard work that you must have put into AK, the above is still just your opinion.  It ain't fact.

One way is just as good as another, and no way would be fair.  If someone wants to fly in Big Week, they should head to the web site and sign up.  If they don't get their choice, well, life sucks, but the scenario will still be fun.  Hell, I flew C47s in AK and still had a blast.  <--this last sentence is to Midnight...buck up man, it'll be fun, I promise  


SOB

[milnko]

Wanna hear ALOT of whininig?

Have registration be a sign up, then select first 10 names on top of list for a ALLIED squad, then next 10 names for AXIS squad, repeat as needed.

Sorta supports the the concept of how we don't select where we are born (i.e. American, European, Asian) and seems to emulate how at least the US assigned pilots to plane types.  

[Rotorian]

Originally posted by Vermillion:
Dowding wrote:  
So attack me any way you want, since I'm sure thats what will come next. Insult me, insult my flying, call my grandmother a cheap pox ridden potato. But that doesn't change the facts of what happened.

Dont worry 'bout creamo verm.  He obviusly missed the point.

[Drano]

Originally posted by DamnedATC:
It's absurd to NOT ALLOW Walkons.  There is always people who do not show up.  

Allow walkons please

ATC

351st BG   Bigweek Scenario

Agree 100% ATC. I asked about this in the scenario BBS but I'm still waiting on an answer. What's up with no walkons? As ATC says there's always gonna be empty slots come game day whether it be to not being able to connect or RL or whatever.

Let's say I was an unscrupulous-non-team playin-self centered-a**hole type that knew damned well he making the last two frames? I go ahead and register and that screws somebody that would have come out of a slot.

As I said I'm not that kinda guy so I didn't register as I know right now I won't be available for next week's frames. But guess what? There are folks out there that'd do this and that just leaves squadA a guy short when it time to take off. Walkons can fill in the blanks.

You guys have to have some intelligent reasons to NOT have walkons that are better than the ones I just gave for having them. Hit me.

                  Drano

[Mighty1]

Well this is the first I've heard of the scenario

Granted I've only been back flying for a couple of weeks but I've never stopped watching the BBS.

I just signed up so hopefully I won't get stuck on KP.

Personally I think signups are the only way to go.

I also think that walkons should be allowed. I've been in to many scenarios where registered people can't make it so squads end up short.

[Drex]

This should be a lot of fun.

Drex
1/JG1
190-A8

[Midnight]

In regards to registration for large events, such as this one, I suggest this.

1. Registration should be open for at least one full day before any assignments are given.

2. If a squad is set for 10 pilots, at least 14 should be allowed to register, giving some cushion for no-shows, of which there always is.

3. Squads from the MA should maybe get first choice for their assignment in the scenario.

Not meant to offend people, but some guys just sign up to sign up, even if they have no idea what to do and have no intention of researching anything prior to game day. They just show up (if they remember) and say,

 

Originally posted by Scenario Dweeb
[QB]
Where do I go?

What do I do?

What e-mail orders? I didn't read it, what did it say?

How do you fly this plane we were assigned?

How do I change countries?

And so on.

I just feel that the people and squads that dedicate their time in the MA to a certain aircraft or semi "historical role" should get the oppurtunity to ply their trade in the big events without having to worry about not making registration on time and being beat out by a 2-day newbie.

I have nothing against newbies, I was once one myself. I just don't like newbies who don't care and don't try to make these big events as good as they could be.

How about something like if you don't have at least X amount of kills in a scenario aircraft, you may only be assigned to it if there are open slots after the experienced pilots who train in it all the time get their chance?

Yeah, Yeah, scenarios should be open to everyone... Well I look at it like a team event. Local softball league, whatever. If you don't show up to practice, and don't know the rules of the game, don't expect to be assigned as first baseman. If you are lucky, you will get an outfielder spot after the 8th inning.

And yes, I am mad, whining, whatever you want to call it. I know I am sounding demanding or spoiled or whatever, but I don't really care  

I try hard to be one of the best P-51 pilots around, and I would like to be able to put my skills to the test in historical match-ups

[K West]

Drex
   1/JG1
   190-A8


 I think I just got relegated to being Allied Escort "chum"  

 Westy
 1JG1
 190-A8

[AN]

Midnight:
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In regards to registration for large events, such as this one, I suggest this.

1. Registration should be open for at least one full day before any assignments are given.
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And then someone has to decide out of the 90% of the pilots who signed up for the same flights, who would get the popular rides.

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2. If a squad is set for 10 pilots, at least 14 should be allowed to register, giving some cushion for no-shows, of which there always is.
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I've seen several AW scenarios do this very thing.  It works well when there is low turnout, but in the popular flights or well attended scenarios there is the whole hassle of the 'reserve list' and who gets to fly and who doesn't.  In this case, it's probably left up to each squad commander (who has to follow a specific set of rules) however, the whole issue of being 'fair'
is complicated exponentially with each additional person who has to decide who flys and who doesn't.

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3. Squads from the MA should maybe get first choice for their assignment in the scenario.
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I call roadkill.  Being in an MA squad shouldn't be a reason to give anyone any preferential treatment.

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Not meant to offend people, but some guys just sign up to sign up, even if they have no idea what to do and have no intention of researching anything prior to game day. They just show up (if they remember) and say,

And so on.
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This is a completely separate problem.  And it is a *big* problem.

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I just feel that the people and squads that dedicate their time in the MA to a certain aircraft or semi "historical role" should get the oppurtunity to ply their trade in the big events without having to worry about not making registration on time and being beat out by a 2-day newbie.
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What does the MA have to do with scenarios (other than being a place to practice for them)?  

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I have nothing against newbies, I was once one myself. I just don't like newbies who don't care and don't try to make these big events as good as they could be.
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If you're really concerned about these events being 'as good as they could be', then you should be more worried about getting the unpopular flights filled up.  The popular rides will take care of themselves.  

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How about something like if you don't have at least X amount of kills in a scenario aircraft, you may only be assigned to it if there are open slots after the experienced pilots who train in it all the time get their chance?
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roadkill!

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Yeah, Yeah, scenarios should be open to everyone... Well I look at it like a team event. Local softball league, whatever. If you don't show up to practice, and don't know the rules of the game, don't expect to be assigned as first baseman. If you are lucky, you will get an outfielder spot after the 8th inning.
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If you really want to be a part of a 'team', then you'll do the jobs that *need* to be done, for the team [/i] and not throw a fit because someone else gets to do what you want to do.

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And yes, I am mad, whining, whatever you want to call it. I know I am sounding demanding or spoiled or whatever, but I don't really care  
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And I don't think you really care about the scenario, either.

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I try hard to be one of the best P-51 pilots around, and I would like to be able to put my skills to the test in historical match-ups
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That would be great.  But since we don't have that many historical match-ups, everyone who wants to isn't going to get the chance to fly the ride of their choice very often.  Maybe next time.

anRky

[Steven]

Midnight, let's be happy these guys are putting on something of this large scope as it is!  Now you suggest that they need to track which squads fly what and give priority or how many kills each person has in a given type of aircraft and weight selections based on that.  I'm pretty certain these people have homes, families, lives and enough as it is.

I see the bigger picture, the historical aspect and enjoyment of a great many people coming together.  The whole is greater than the individual parts here.  Someone is going to have to fly something that is not his first choice.  I was lucky, I had Friday off and could have picked anything I wanted.  In fact, it was said in squad e-mail that I'd want the P51B.  Well, my first choice was the P38L so that I can fly with a few squadmates.  Check through my scores online and see how many times I've flown and killed in the P38.  My 2nd choice was a B17 because I saw that not many were choosing that off the bat and for me to do my part and make this a success I need to suck it up and prepare myself for maybe having to be a bomber pilot.  Check my scores again, see how often I fly bombers.  My 3rd choice, well, it's a P51B group.  The three planes I fly in MA are the F6F, F4U and P51B.  I am honest about this, but if my first choice had been P51B I would gladly give it to you...I'll give you my 3rd choice for it if you want and I'll substitute it with a bomber slot or whatever is *needed* to make this thing work.  

I'm very happy we have an event like this being put on but I clearly recognnize that many, many people will not get to fly their regular ride and I am in fact one of those people.  Who knows, you may meet some new cool people and enjoy the change in cockpit scenery for the event.  I'm not sure pounding the CMs is the answer.  There is no way to please everyone and probably the *fairest* way to go about this is the CMs just assign slots as needed and that way it's fair that no one has a choice and it's all by random chance.

I don't really feel your pain.  But you can have my 3rd choice slot.