Author Topic: Mandatory drug testing (Read 1539 times)

senna · « **Reply #45 on:** October 28, 2002, 04:09:20 AM »

senna<--- tested posative for AH in system.

LOL.

MrCoffee · « **Reply #46 on:** October 28, 2002, 04:24:01 AM »

Then why not enforce it on a regular basis, say every year. Just report to a clinick and take a piss. Hell I already stop off at Starbucks everymorning and that kills about half an hour in line waiting for the most expensive coffee known to the free world.

bounder · « **Reply #47 on:** October 28, 2002, 07:31:25 AM »

Wulfie....

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Originally posted by wulfie
Bounder you know we aren't talking about 'permitted' performance enhancers. A guy could test positive for something and if it's a permitted substance then no harm done.

Mike/wulfie

What if your employee is using an OTC drug like DXM? He tests positive, but its ok cos it's only cough mixture? That's telling people, you can come into work stoned, so long as it's not an illegal substance you're abusing. It seems there is a persistent myth that illegal drugs are somehow more powerful and/or dangerous than legal ones. This is patently false.

I don't differentiate between legal and illegal drugs. The effects are not altered by how the law relates to a substance.

For almost any circumstances you can find a substance (illegal or otherwise) which can enhance your performance if used appropriately.

I would rather have an airline pilot who made sensible use of a stimulant (caffeine, theobromine, amphetamine, cocaine) than fell asleep at the controls. Of course many people refuse to believe there is such a thing as sensible use, despite practicing it themselves every day.

Yet no-one tests surgeons (or pilots or long disance truck drivers) for fatigue levels in the same way as drug testing)

Either we're talking about drugs affecting people's work (in which case you don't need drugs tests, just eyes in your head) or we're talking about employers screening their employees for illegal activity.

If it's the latter (i.e it's about illegal drugs (and don't forget, your body is CHOCK FULL of illegal drugs already)) then The employer is being co-opted into law enforcement. In which case why not have mandatory polygraph tests for other illegal activities?

-Concho- · « **Reply #48 on:** October 28, 2002, 07:32:22 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
concho is your testing voluntary (truly voluntary, not volunteer or hit the bricks) or mandatory. if manditory I think your department is the exception rather than the rule. around here and most other places I'm aware of neither the cops, judges, or politicians are tested.

also in the construction trades, the guys who develope safety policy and the engineers who design the structures are rarely if ever tested. but the guy sweeping up after, he gets tested regularly.

Hit the bricks type. Although they are much more interested in our handling of "entrusted property" than actual drug use. We handle a lot of dope that comes out of Mexico, sometimes tons at a time.

Betown · « **Reply #49 on:** October 28, 2002, 07:58:03 AM »

Please no drug tests.... The leaf is friendly! It loves you all....
*sings random bob marly songs*

UserName · « **Reply #50 on:** October 28, 2002, 08:00:00 AM »

Drug testing is a joke. It's impossible for the government to regulate or control social behaviour. Look how effective prohibition was..

Eagler · « **Reply #51 on:** October 28, 2002, 08:02:37 AM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
"Yeah I think it's a great idea for corporations and the government to have real time monitoring of our blood and urine chemistry and whereabouts at all times."

Geezus what a bunch of sheep. You guys ever read 1984 or Brave New World? Is that what you want?

the dopers would go for a Brave New World - SOMA

keep the masses happy, keep the masses stoned ...

lazs2 · « **Reply #52 on:** October 28, 2002, 08:02:45 AM »

funked etc... you are talking avbout freedom? Wjhat about the employers freedom? It is difficult to fiore sonmeone because of performance isssues. It is impossible to fire him because you think he may be on drugs.

Look... I don't care if my phone repair guy smokes pot or even has a heroin addiction. I don't care what HTC employees do. I do care what a surgeon or a c130 pilot does.

Most jobs...If you don't like testing and the sales job you have tests.... get a different job or... test positive but be so good at your job that the guy doesn't care. The courts have taken away so many of the employers rights to hire and fire these days that he can't just fire someone on poor performance or suspicion. If he fires you cause you tested positive for pot then he probly was looking for an excuse to gert rid of your worthless butt anyway... and... the reason you are worthless is probly cause of the pot.

Not sure what you guys are saying... Are you saying that being loaded on illegal drugs in the workplace is a "privacy" matter? How is that illegal search and seizure? You don't have to submit to the test?

Isn't it exactly like driving? You are randomly drug tested as a driver because it is a "privilage" ... you are driving a deadly weapon on roads that you do not own.

sheesh... if you were worth a damn nobody would care about your addiction.... least till it got out of hand... and it will... eventually.
lazs

capt. apathy · « **Reply #53 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:16:31 AM »

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Not sure what you guys are saying... Are you saying that being loaded on illegal drugs in the workplace is a "privacy" matter?

No we're saying your body fluids are YOU'RE body fluids (seems to me a persons body should be even more private than their home). And nobody should be able to search them without a warrant or probable 'cause. These companies are violating the rights that are guaranteed to citizens of the United States. And our gov't does nothing, except promote it. These kinds of searches are constitutional violations. And the offenders should go to jail.

Eagler · « **Reply #54 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:44:34 AM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
...are constitutional violations. And the offenders should go to jail.

yes, doing ILLEGAL drugs on or off the job (ie breaking the law) - they should go to jail

to shorten the thread

question:
should there be mandatory drug testing?

dopers - NO

non dopers - YES

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #55 on:** October 28, 2002, 09:58:12 AM »

I supposed you'd first have to establish that the use of drugs/alchohol will impact your ability to do the job. Then you'd have to establish an exact limit of imparement. Then you'd have to strictly enforce every aspect of it.

From my experience, drug and alchohol problems at work will eventually result in termination. As will poor performance in general.

AKDejaVu

midnight Target · « **Reply #56 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:08:48 AM »

We pre-screen all employees, and send them for a test if they are involved in an accident of any kind (injury or not).

It is incredible how many idiots fail the pre-screen test. some employees simply walk away from the job after having an accident.

There are times when we would like to encourage amfetamine usage, but that would be wrong.

Random testing, isn't necessary.

Kanth · « **Reply #57 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:15:51 AM »

So even if the person gives their permission to be tested, you still believe that the employer should have to go get some sort of warrant to test them?

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Originally posted by capt. apathy

No we're saying your body fluids are YOU'RE body fluids (seems to me a persons body should be even more private than their home). And nobody should be able to search them without a warrant or probable 'cause.

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #58 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:18:16 AM »

For.

Your employer has a right to expect your best effort. If you spent your time getting stoned the night before you can't give your best. You have to play by their rules if you want to work for them.

Besides, mandatory drug testing isn't really about home use and you guys know it. It's about on the job use. And we're not just talking about pot here, and you know that as well.

When you get your first job it's time to grow up, as painful as that may be.

Regards, Shuckins

2Slow · « **Reply #59 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:19:29 AM »