Author Topic: Mandatory drug testing (Read 1540 times)

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #60 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:41:42 AM »

Against- until they change their policies in drugs tested for, basis for testing, and who gets tested.

As it is now, it's a hypocritical joke. Think I'm wrong? Pick up a book or don't even bother arguing with me.
-SW

midnight Target · « **Reply #61 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:51:02 AM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
For.

Your employer has a right to expect your best effort. If you spent your time getting stoned the night before you can't give your best. You have to play by their rules if you want to work for them.

Besides, mandatory drug testing isn't really about home use and you guys know it. It's about on the job use. And we're not just talking about pot here, and you know that as well.

When you get your first job it's time to grow up, as painful as that may be.

Regards, Shuckins

Every modern definition of quality goes something like this:

Conformance to Requirements

If an individual meets the requirements of the job then who cares what he puts into his or her body? If the requirements of the job are too easy to meet while on drugs, raise the requirements or lighten up on the drug testing. If the requirementas of the job include the need for the absence of drugs in the system then test.

john9001 · « **Reply #62 on:** October 28, 2002, 10:54:00 AM »

there is a small store near where i live , they have been looking for a ast mgr for one year (they have a sign out front ) the job dosn't pay much , i asked why they haden't found anyone yet, they told me they haven't found anyone that could pass the drug test.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #63 on:** October 28, 2002, 11:33:12 AM »

eagle
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question:
should there be mandatory drug testing?

dopers - NO

non dopers - YES
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wrong

capt. apathy= non-doper- votes NO

Eagler · « **Reply #64 on:** October 28, 2002, 12:12:55 PM »

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Originally posted by capt. apathy
eagle
*********
question:
should there be mandatory drug testing?

dopers - NO

non dopers - YES
***************

wrong

capt. apathy= non-doper- votes NO

are you a non doper because of the tests?

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #65 on:** October 28, 2002, 12:14:34 PM »

Eagler, I'm not a big fan of the drug testing either. And I don't do drugs.. never have... even before they did tests.

I think you'll find this is not that uncommon of a belief.

AKDejaVu

Eagler · « **Reply #66 on:** October 28, 2002, 12:30:21 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Eagler, I'm not a big fan of the drug testing either. And I don't do drugs.. never have... even before they did tests.

I think you'll find this is not that uncommon of a belief.

AKDejaVu

I believe I would find the vast majority opposed to testing, partake on tested substances to one degree or another

you, I believe, are in the minority - non doper (never doper) against testing

once again, if you aren't doing something wrong, illegal in this case, you have nothing to worry about...

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #67 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:01:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
once again, if you aren't doing something wrong, illegal in this case, you have nothing to worry about...

True... you just gotta worry about that guy all f'ed up on percocets, nyquil, alcohol or other legal substance that can and will make you careless and unsafe in any line of work.

You may like drug testing Eagler because it offers you a chance to label people as dopers and dead heads if they oppose your viewpoint.

Perhaps people don't like the idea of drug testing because the whole point behind it (work safety) is completely bipassed and is used as a means to keep only those who do illegal drugs from working or off the illegal drugs... while at the same time, it allows you to work in complete ignorance with drunks, pain killer abusers, and other druggies who get their high legally.

"safety", "productivity" and drug screening have about as much in common as water and air.
-SW

capt. apathy · « **Reply #68 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:04:13 PM »

nope, I'm a non doper because many years ago I asked myself why I smoked dope.
the answer was "to help releave me of some of the stress in my life."
then it accured to me that most of my stress was caused by letting a stoned guy handle the details of my life. (ie. me)

capt. apathy · « **Reply #69 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:05:39 PM »

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once again, if you aren't doing something wrong, illegal in this case, you have nothing to worry about...

accept for false positives destroying your carreer and reputation.

Eagler · « **Reply #70 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:08:38 PM »

actually you better have a prescription for any med a test pulls up or it becomes illegal also

many jobs it boils down to a liabilty issue - read $$$$

for others its just a way for the company to get the biggest bang for their buck. A straight crew will in the long haul give them the better value for their salary $$.

AKS\/\/ulfe · « **Reply #71 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:16:09 PM »

actually you better have a prescription for any med a test pulls up or it becomes illegal also

Yes, very true... but then it reverts back the policies issue I brought up... many (and I emphasize many) companies do not test for legal drugs and strictly test only for a select 5 types of drugs.. all are illegal of course. I forget the 5 types right now, well I remember 4 of 'em: cannibis, amphetimines and methamphetimines, psylocybin, and opiates.. forget the last one..

In any event, it doesn't test for drugs or other substances in the system that would impede work performance or safety.

And this is also the same in the federal government, where they only test for illegal drugs and nothing else.

My problem isn't with drug screening... my problem is with what they test for, why they test for it and why they won't change it to something better and far more effective..

You can fail a drug test for having a poppy seed muffin, btw, and some employers won't give you a second chance...
-SW

capt. apathy · « **Reply #72 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:24:11 PM »

and what happens when the look at your 'declared drugs' that you gave them and decide they don't like your medical condition. you could cost them a bundle by raising insurance premiums. so as you get older and maybe you need the nitro for your heart or whatever. your boss all of a sudden has access to private medical info. but it's ok, we've all learned how far you can trust corprate executives in the last year or so (if you didn't know all along), I'm sure they won't take any of this info they've recieved and consider it when deciding who needs laid-off.

Pei · « **Reply #73 on:** October 28, 2002, 01:41:36 PM »

I think it depends on what drugs they are testing for. I don't want to fly on a plane piloted by a crackhead but I don't care if he/she has had a joint last night any more than if he/she had a few beers.
I don't want to fly on a plane piloted by someone who is currently intoxicated (no matter what the source of the intoxication).

As someone stated above a company is free to impose drug-testing on it's employees. This is fine with me - I am free to go and find another job. As far as state institutions imposing testing well I think that as long as they are only testing for illegal substances that is fine - I perhaps disagree with what should and should not be illegal but that's another debate entirely.

lazs2 · « **Reply #74 on:** October 28, 2002, 02:37:19 PM »

LOL! the dopers are making way too much out of this... If yu tell the tester what perscription drugs you have taken you are in the clear... I never take drugs anymore but I did get novacain and I took a painkiller after a particularly bad dental session (root canal).. As luck would have it I was tested the next day. Simply toild emn what was in my system.

Look.... to Hell with your rights.. You don't have the right to work anywhere.. what about the employers rights? The guy who is paying you? He knows that if you do drugs regularly for "recreation" you are on a slippery slope towards becomeing a worthless piece of toejam and a huge headache for him.. Why should he have to suffer for your frailty? If you are very valuable he may decide to tough it out with you and just keep a little closer eye on you and wait till the enevitable decline before he gets rid of your worthless ass. or...

you may smarten up and quit and then he won't have to worry about it. To even suggest that regular drug use doesn't affect job performance is ludicrous.

When I used to drink I said that I drove better drunk than my ex drove sober... that was true but... neither one of us should have been on the road.
lazs