Islam Is Peace

[mrfish]

i've seen those tapes too - particularly a guy getting his throat slashed and another getting his head lopped off with a hatchet - the ones i saw were sometimes attributed to the russians and other times attributed to the chechans - i have also seen a tape labeled "weatherman commits suicide on tape" that was really describing the bud dwyer suicide so i don't pay much credence to those things.

at any rate it takes a lot more than some realistic war scenes as opposed to that hollywood hero slop to sway my opinion - the other side is free of analogous actions i take it? yeah right... if we had tapes of them would that change your opinion? it's bad to let images and rhetoric to make up your mind for you. it's no substitute for fact.

toad- no idea. i think we have to back a 'dog' sometimes because the alternative is a communist puppet state, but maybe when the threat is gone we should be more conscientious about what becomes of their country. it's the burden of the winner i say.

i don't like this whole thing where russia and the US are like two old guys sitting around "say bob you got terrorist probs too eh",  " yeah bill it sucks... do you know a good spray for that?"

we have this tendancy to minimize other countries until we need them for something. i don't like that.

[Toad]

Originally posted by mrfish
we have this tendancy to minimize other countries until we need them for something. i don't like that.

That's not a "we" thing.. that's an "everyone" thing.

I could probably find an example of folks that ignore the US until they need us for something.

It's life, Mr. Fish. Or perhaps Maslow's Hierarchy would be more apt.

[Samm]

Originally posted by Fishu


100%?

Something like 700 lived, with many in hospital..
isn't that more like 15-17% casualty rate?

Casualty does not mean dead . Of  800ish hostages there are 115 dead, and  over 600 in the hospital . That means about 100% casualties. Thats not a chemical incapacitant, that's a chemical weapon . An incapacitating agent would not have been as fast acting or as indetectable . They used a rapid onset nonpersistant agent .

[Samm]

While I believe that the only good terrorist is a dead terrorist . I think Russia created their own Northern Ireland when they tried to annex their neighbor Chechnya ala USSR . Before the invasion in 94 the government of chechnya  was much more stable, now that government has been completely destablized and un able to police it's self, as a result it has become a haven for radical muslim cockroaches . Now a situation much like Isreal or Northern Ireland has been let out of the bag and will never go away, at least not in our lifetimes .

[Tuomio]

Germany doctors stated that they identified the gas and its Fentanyl. From what i understood this was taken from hospitalized German citizen hostage.

Fentanyl is opiate, so overdose can be an issue. Opiates have common effect which is almost paralysis like drowsiness and feeling of complete well-being. Even than your local DEA agent may tell otherwise, opiate overdose is actually hard to achieve since it requires multiplied dosages. It may actually be very good on this kind of operations. Opiates are tolerated well so it has also low allergic reaction possibility.

Inhaled stuff gets in the blood circulation immidiately, so the effect is just like somebody wouldve shot a cyringe of heroin to these terrorists.

Opiates and long hospital aftercare makes sense to me. We can now stop the funny speculations of diluted mustard gas will you..

[Samm]

Fentanyl is poison, it is an anesthetic and a sedative, causes vomiting and inhalation of said vomit. OD if it is not too bad can be reversed with the antagonist narcan . Maybe GB would've been safer . There is a reason why anestesiologist call themselves poison controll .

Both the serbs and the soviets have used chemical weapons in the near past, so I don't believe it's that funny of speculation .

Oh I almost forgot

[BGBMAW]

yo thrawn...you quote that our viloence has risen..and make a smart bellybutton remark that we blame Clinton..WELL YOU NONE KNOWING MOTHER FUKER.... We can blame Him and thre Democrats for this roadkill

We have gotten more and more restrictive gun control laws....THIS ONLY HELPS CRIMINALS...Because a law abiding citezenis following law..CRIMINALS DONT
....some of you people miss common sense way too much....


example..The dfemocratic party uses SCARE tactics very often..:BAN ASSUALT WEPAONS..BAN SATURDAY NIGHT SPECIALS"

Well u diddlying morons..."assault Weapons" FULL AUTOMATIC MACHINE guns....those have been outlawed since the 1930's....

They are now showing guns that "look" scary...

SATURday Night Special"...no such diddlying thing.....Oh you mean ban pistols that are "cheap!!??  Oh ok..so idf you dont make enuuf to spend $300-1000. on a pistol u cant protect ur family and property....ya....diddly Canada....Burn in Hell


Love BiGB
xoxoxo


And PS...thx for your open borders up there..u diddlying degenerates

and as far as Islam and peace....Fuk that too..THEY have called up a holy war....well we got one for them...they gonna be all buried in a deep hole...

Yes hundreds of thousands of "western Bodies---with  Millions of Islamic radiclas rigth next to them"....God Bless America and our Allies...Canada..u are close to being put with France...

And I know...You cant carpet bomb everyone together..trust me ..I would kik some of these "americans" out too...

[BGBMAW]

Ya opiate derived..great the dum bellybutton terrosits or what ever they were got  to feel good all the way to death....

Best thing they could of done tho..cant beleive they didnt have enuff time to blow the place up..Dam that gas worked dam fast

Love BiGB
xoxo

[Thrawn]

BGB, was going to post a large rebuttal, then I realised that you would be to stupid to understand it.  Suffice it to say, that the most glaring example that all might not be well in the US, is the fact that your government, lets a clinically moronic diddlywad like you fly a plane commercially...or at all for that matter.

In closing, blow me, dipshit.

[funkedup]

BGMAW tell us how you really feel man?

[Tuomio]

Samm, its poison just like tear gas is. Nothing illegal there.

[Samm]

Tear gas isn't poison, if you're talking about CS gas it has a mortality rate of 0%, and CN gas is even less persistant and weaker . And why did you bring up legality ?

[Nashwan]

Sure, the populations of both California and Texas voted to accept admission to the United States and were accepted.

Another difference is that California and Texas are not in open rebellion against the government. THEIR populations WANT to be in the United States. Pretty big difference, eh?

Really? Like Northern Ireland really belongs to Great Britain? Or the Sinai or the Golan Heights really belongs to Israel? Or like Kuwait should have belonged to Iraq?

The population of NI voted to become part of the UK, and gets a vote at least every 5 years. Every time they have voted to remain part of the UK.

Northern Ireland is not in open rebellion against the government. Around 10% of the population supported Sinn Fein/IRA, the other 90% were opposed to terrorism. A majority of the population, way over 60%, want to remain part of the UK.

NI was settled by Scots and English hundreds of years ago, long before Texas and California were settled by Europeans. The Sinai was conquered by Israel 50 years ago, the Golan just over 30 years, Kuwait ten years.

None of these are comparable to NI.

Ireland shouldn't have been invaded 800 years ago. However, what happened 800 years ago was the norm for Europe at the time. Now, NI is a part of the UK, with full democracy, inhabited by people, most of whom want to remain part of the UK. There is a small terrorist problem, perpetrated by groups who are opposed to the democratic process, and want to impose their will on the majority.

NI has more right to be part of the UK than Texas and California do to be part of the US.

[Tuomio]

Im absolutely sure that tear gas will kill a man if conditions are right. High concentration and weakened body will be very risky. It generates lots of all kinds of nasty side-effects (to all organs it touches) and i dont have any doubt that it can be lethal.

Its all in the concentrations. Try to spray some tear gas they use in battlefield to your opponent and i wouldnt be suprised if he'd suffocate. Same goes to Fentanyl, it can be lethal or it can be diluted for lesser side effects. Lesser side-effects of course lessen the WANTED side effects, like paralysis. We wouldnt want that to happen wouldnt we?

I bet they wanted to use stronger mix than would be minimum, just to make sure no wires are connected. DIdnt they mention they estimated a 150 casualties? Why wouldnt this estimate be in direct connection with the gas?

And dont tell me that those 600 alive patients count as casualty, no way. If they wouldve received tear gas, all would be sent in the hospital just in case. Theyre just waiting for the opium high to vanish and prolly they give "soft landing" with some opium derivate, like ketamine. All that time they will be lying in hospital bed.
Last time i checked there were 48 critical patients, which could be dying, but the rest will not.

[Curval]

Originally posted by -dead-

From Chambers English Dictionary -
Infidel is the Christian nomenclature - hardly surprising given that the word is from the Latin.

Personally I use the Oxford Dictionary...but I don't doubt that it says the same thing.

-dead-, you appear to be attempting to give me an intellectual spanking, which I somewhat deserve for not investigating the origin of the word "infidel", but my point still remains relevant.

Do we, as Christians still refer to non-Christians as infidels or even heathens?  No!  These terms are the language of intolerance and were only used in ordinary conversation back in the medieval period.

Do the Musilm fundementalists refer to us as infidels?  Yes...in fact it rolls offs the tongues of these people as easily as any other term.