Islam Is Peace

[Dowding (Work)]

Curval - compare like for like. You compared your ordinary Christians to Islamic Fundamentalists. A better comparison would be Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists.

I think you'll find that Christian fundamentalists are very fond of the language of intolerance - including 'heathen' and 'abomination'.

They maybe of a different religion, but their goals, language and approach to those not agreeing with their moral viewpoint are very similar.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Nashwan

Ireland shouldn't have been invaded 800 years ago. However, what happened 800 years ago was the norm for Europe at the time. Now, NI is a part of the UK, with full democracy, inhabited by people, most of whom want to remain part of the UK. There is a small terrorist problem, perpetrated by groups who are opposed to the democratic process, and want to impose their will on the majority.

 

Yeah, maybe in 800 years or so Palestine will calm down to the same point. And maybe even Chechnya as well.

Didn't take California and Texas anywhere near that long, did it?

Time heals all wounds, I guess. Seems like nothing else does the trick.

[Curval]

Originally posted by Dowding (Work)
I think you'll find that Christian fundamentalists are very fond of the language of intolerance - including 'heathen' and 'abomination'.

They maybe of a different religion, but their goals, language and approach to those not agreeing with their moral viewpoint are very similar.

Ummmm...when is the last time you saw a Christian fundementalist blow him/herself up, along with a busload of innocents...or take over a theatre with 700 people inside and threaten to kill them all?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Curval



Ummmm...when is the last time you saw a Christian fundementalist blow him/herself up, along with a busload of innocents...or take over a theatre with 700 people inside and threaten to kill them all?

Ok, so I'm bleeding over from another post about Islam but I have to add and ask. Can you name a country that is predominantly Christian and officially executes those that convert to some other religion? I can name four Islamic countries that do  and several others where it's not offical policy but happens nonetheless.


Does asking this question make me a bigot?

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Curval
Ummmm...when is the last time you saw a Christian fundementalist blow him/herself up, along with a busload of innocents...or take over a theatre with 700 people inside and threaten to kill them all?

Abortion clinic bombings, I'm sure you can find many other instances of Christian/Catholic nutjobs blowing things up, or something just as bad, if you really wanted to find it.

Of course, I can do this for just about any religion.. Buddhism is probably the only one that doesn't have nutjobs that take things to the extreme...
-SW

[Curval]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe


Abortion clinic bombings, I'm sure you can find many other instances of Christian/Catholic nutjobs blowing things up, or something just as bad, if you really wanted to find it.

Of course, I can do this for just about any religion.. Buddhism is probably the only one that doesn't have nutjobs that take things to the extreme...
-SW

Abortion clinic bombings?  Yes, in the last 10 or 15 years I have heard of one or two such events.  I open the paper EVERY DAY and see incidents of wacko Musilms killing people in the name of Allah.

A better example MIGHT have been IRA bombings.  But at least the Irish seem to be getting over their troubles...although it has taken about 700 years.

I agree with you regarding Buddism.  It really is the only faith that has virtually no blood on its hands.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Curval
Abortion clinic bombings?  Yes, in the last 10 or 15 years I have heard of one or two such events.  I open the paper EVERY DAY and see incidents of wacko Musilms killing people in the name of Allah.

Yeah, but what you read in the paper boils down to the Hot Topic of the Day.. There was also one guy a year ago who went into an abortion clinic and gunned people down... a couple instances of that in the DC metro area just last year...

I'm not saying any religion is to blame for killings... it's the nutjobs who take it to the next level, I myself have nothing wrong with the faith.. but each religion will have it's extremists who, while not representative of the religion, will commit acts of mass killings and will thereby be labelled as the representatives of that religion.

You always hear about the evils of a religious people, while you'll rarely hear about the good.

All I'm saying is that there will always be extremists, don't be so gullible as to allow popular opinion to convince you that the extremists are the representatives of that religion or people.
-SW

[Eagler]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe


Abortion clinic bombings, I'm sure you can find many other instances of Christian/Catholic nutjobs blowing things up, or something just as bad, if you really wanted to find it.-SW

day and night

both commited by nutbag followers - yes -  but:

an abortion bomber is blowing up an EMPTY building to save innocent lives of those who can't save themselves

while ...

a Pal bus bomber is destroying a PACKED bus to take lives of innocent ppl

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Eagler
an abortion bomber is blowing up an EMPTY building to save innocent lives of those who can't save themselves

Nice justification... except there were people in there, and they died...
-SW

[Eagler]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe


Nice justification... except there were people in there, and they died...
-SW

ok
historically ...

[-dead-]

Originally posted by Curval
Do we, as Christians still refer to non-Christians as infidels or even heathens?

We?!? Count me out of the Xian camp there.

No!  These terms are the language of intolerance and were only used in ordinary conversation back in the medieval period.

That Romanus Pontifex Papal Bull I gave you a link to apparently still hasn't been repealed yet, so technically the intolerance is still in force, even if the language isn't. The Big G himself is depicted as a very intolerant deity in the Bible - and more than slightly partial to a bit of the old mass murder and genocide, mostly of people who don't worship him. As far as I can see, Monotheistic religions are pretty much intolerant by definition - they are basically like the movie Highlander* - "there can can only be one" true religion.
*Except the plot is less believable and the music is even worse.

Do the Musilm fundementalists refer to us as infidels?  Yes...in fact it rolls offs the tongues of these people as easily as any other term.

Good point - Now, do you extend this outraged righteous idignation to include those radicals who call everyone not in their religious sect "gentiles" or "goyim"? To paraphrase your original post: is that something that truely[sic] pisses you off about the Jews and offers some insight into their faith as well?

But the thing I don't understand is: what's your problem in being called an infidel by a muslim? It means you're a non-believer - or a non-muslim - and you don't believe in Islam, do you? In your post, you claim to be Xian - so why not just forgive them when they call you a kafir or a zimmi?

As to the your use of the Oxford dictionary - if only you would! Hehe Sorry. A cheap shot, I know, but I couldn't resist it.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Historically what?

I'm not trying to turn any religion into the root of all evil... I'm just trying to explain that they all have their good and their bad... you can't say that any one religion is worse than the other... it's how some people interpret it that can make it bad..
-SW

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Toad


No, it bears directly on the discussion. The Chechens have never accepted Russian domination. As a result there have been continual periods of open conflict since the 1790's.
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Really? Interesting point of view. Ever heard about Imam Shamil? The one who lived in Kaluga and made a haj on Russian money?

Originally posted by Toad


Yet here you are proposing solutions that would make even the Israelis blush and be ashamed to mention, I think.

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I don't diddlying care. I just want that beasts to be isolated. And I am sick of all that "human rights" crap.

Stalin was a wise man. He found the most suitable solution.

Russians were not so "practical" as the US government in XIX century to simply kill every highlander in Caucasus and occupy their land. We always have to pay for being too sentimental.

Originally posted by Toad


Don't need to call you anything. You're doing a fine job of defining yourself without my help. As I said, it's particularly amusing given your history here on this BBS. You have become what you used to decry.

Hey, what about the OIL! What do you think about the OIL aspect? Is Russia interested in the OIL at all, do you think?

You have to admit, it's just tooooooooo funny. [/B]

Oil?! What oil? You mean Chechen oil fields? They were exausted about 30 years ago. Now your beloved "freedom fighters" make a good business puncturing the pipeline that goes through Chechnya and stealing petrol. We have a precedent with Chineese-Eastern railway, when Russian supply line was going through hostile territory, but I think the solution isn't suitable for current situation in Chechnya.

Toad, you are a brilliant example of cold war brainwashing. Even disasters like 09-11 didn't teach you anything. You are speaking about Russian "occupation" of Chechnya, and become trigger-happy about poor Iraq, denying a right for self-defence for souverign nation. Maybe you still think that US pirate agression against Yugoslavia, an obvious help to international terrorism was OK, and happened only to protect "human rights"? I advise you to turn off your TV and radio for a month, you will see - it helps to vent your brain from the crap they feed us.

[Curval]

Originally posted by -dead-
Good point - Now, do you extend this outraged righteous idignation to include those radicals who call everyone not in their religious sect "gentiles" or "goyim"? To paraphrase your original post: is that something that truely[sic] pisses you off about the Jews and offers some insight into their faith as well?

But the thing I don't understand is: what's your problem in being called an infidel by a muslim? It means you're a non-believer - or a non-muslim - and you don't believe in Islam, do you? In your post, you claim to be Xian - so why not just forgive them when they call you a kafir or a zimmi?

As to the your use of the Oxford dictionary - if only you would! Hehe Sorry. A cheap shot, I know, but I couldn't resist it.

Did I say "Please Sir, may I have another?" somewhere in my post;)

Point of fact...I have NEVER, EVER heard an Israeli (or any Jew)publically sprouting off about goyims...I have only ever heard that particular word used in a derogatory fashion...just as I have only heard the word infidel used in a derogatory fashion - normally on the evening news.    

That is the problem I have with it.

Touche on the Oxford dictionary thing.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Boroda
Toad, you are a brilliant example of cold war brainwashing.

This is the best yet!