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Offline OIO

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« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2002, 01:06:47 PM »
Nuclear power is safe...clean.... huh?


Firstoff its not "safe" per say. You need to have a toejamload of security and failsafes to prevent the ONE time where one screwup could literally obliterate life for miles around the plant.

Then its not "clean" either. Oh sure, the big smokestacks churn out water vapor not smoke or CO2 or other nasty "polluting" stuff. But what about the SPENT nuclear FUEL RODS? Those things STAY dangerously radioactive for THOUSANDS of years. Where you gonna dispose of that hmmm? USGOV has made a storage site they assure people will hold the waste safely for 10k years... sadly they are storing stuff that remains radioactive for nearly 3X as long. But bypassing the fact that who knows if we can turn spent glowing nuke rods into twinkies in the next 10,000 years, the CURRENT amount of radioactive waste is huge. Not only the fuel rods themselves, but everything that got irradiated by them...construction materiel, water, equipment,  etc etc. Theres just no storage space capable of keeping up with the amount of waste being created NOW. If you open nuke plants all around that will be exponentially increased..then what ye gonna do? Open holes all over the US and make nuke dumps? That would be quite nice if such sites didnt have the downside that ONE fukup by joeblow can kill everything in its vecinity and pollute the area for a thousand years. Im sure yer grandkids will love you for it.

Throwing the waste up in a rocket is a neat idea too. Lets just hope they dont blow up in the pads or mis-fly and land in the middle of washington d.c.

The risks are too great, the damage done by one messup is too big and lasts for too long.

I'd be more inclined to take fuel cell tech or organic power generation plants as an alternative... or tidal power.

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« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2002, 01:24:17 PM »
FunkedUp - Your idea is very much like the single European currency. A GREAT idea, but will it work? 10-15 years ago, I was just like you, and very much in favour of the advancement of nuclear power for all the reasons you said. But nowadays, I find myself agreeing 100% with OIO in the post above. There have been too many fück-ups - Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, and Windscale (1957 - now known as Sellafield). The trouble is that you only have to have one fück-up, and support of the general public is lost. I think we've already gone past that point, and it's disappointing but we need to deal with it. Incidentally, I thought about 50% of power in IL WAS generated by nukes - am I right?  The issue with waste - nuke rods with a half-life of thousands of years. Can we guarantee that they would be disposed of properly? Or would they end up on some beach in a third world country? - Not an issue to be taken lightly.

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« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2002, 09:05:49 PM »
any of you guys ever work around nuke power in the private sector? (I have no experience with how nukes are run in military applications)

anyway. I worked at a nuke for awhile back when I was an apprentice.  before I started there I thought nukes where clean, safe, efficent form of energy.  after a couple months I realised its about as safe as watching a chimp play with a loaded pistol.

they talk up safety and standards alot but basicly it comes down to having enough paperwork to prove it's not your fault when things go wrong.

in the first 3 weeks I was there I heard of several huge problems that never where heard of outside the plant (stuff like- 1. contianment wall being breached while plant is in full operation.  or 2. cooling system filter screens that had no record of anual servicing after 10-15 years of operation, when this was realised and they where checked it turns out that the screens where never installed and there was toejamloads of debris in the sump only luck stopped it from causing major cooling problems)

second the 'strict' adherance to regulation is a joke.  
 at the time I worked the nuke they told us that the feds say you can take upto 1,500 mrem every 3 months.  but then they tell us how they hold there standard to 500.  when my dose hit 450 I got an extension 1000,  when I hit 900 my limit was bumped to 2k. oh ya, about those 3 month time frames, those are calandar 1/4's so they set up the outages so that you start the actual work (After training and such) in march and finish up in april or may.  our work is opening up generators and entering them to prepare them for the robotic equipment. then after the robots are done we remove all equipment and close up the vesles.  so we take all our dose at the start or finish of the outage. so anyway it's set up so that the outage stradles the end of a quarter.  so while on paper I took 2,700++ rem in 6 months (well within the 3k for 6 months limit, in fact I took almost all of that in a 75 day period.

while talking with guys who had worked there for many years- and told me how the rules have chenged every year- I learned the great truth about nuke "every year they learn something new about nukes" it's as simple as that, but what they learn every year is that what they thought they knew last year is wrong.

so after 5 months of working in a nuke my opinion of them had changed 180 degrees.

a couple months later I campaigned heavy to ban them from this state.

and about the waste.  didn't your mom every teach you to clean up after yourself?  you don't make messes you can't clean up, then leave them for someone else to clean up (your kids?).

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2002, 11:57:54 PM »
Just get Superman to take all the bad nuclear stuff to the sun........



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 oh OT:

The energy companies have too much dollars invested in keeping various governments and their respective agencies inline.
The cost of investing in proper and user friendly renewable-energy is about the same as a small war (not unlike the current actions - or the proposed up-coming) ....but don't think for a second any government's going to invest that kind of dollars anytime soon....not whiles theres some oil to burn first.

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