Ju88

[SpyHawk]

All I want to know is if the Ju88 will have TWO torpedoes (on inboard wing hardpoints) for sinking Allied ships.

Of course they wont be that much fun until we have ships....but...

[Nath-BDP]

We're getting an A-4 not an A-17, sadly we get an American plane of which only 200 were built(1c) and then a 1941 German bomber that will get slaughtered in the MA, real fair.

How about an S model Ju88, Htc, even things up?

[SpyHawk]

Damn. That's a kick in tha nuts.

[Kieren]

Conspiracy!

[Karnak]

Yes, join us in the RAF who are stuck in the early part of the war. (OK, mid war, but who's counting?)

Sisu
-Karnak

[Pyro]

You're right, what a stupid and unfair plane to add.  Fortunately, there's still a lot of work to be done on it so we should just cancel it and cut our losses.  It's not like anyone would fly it or build events or scenarios using it.

Spyhawk- we won't be adding torpedos until we do ships - tentatively set for 1.05.



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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations

[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
We're getting an A-4 not an A-17, sadly we get an American plane of which only 200 were built(1c) and then a 1941 German bomber that will get slaughtered in the MA, real fair.

How about an S model Ju88, Htc, even things up?

Its just about the marketing.. who would play a game where yank newbies would get kicked bellybutton by german iron  

[Kieren]

C'mon, Fishu. Knock that chip off your shoulder- you'll enjoy life a lot more!  

[Cobra]

Fishu and Nath,
You guys have hit on a great idea.....build your own damn sim!  

With your combined vast knowledge, as demonstrated by your unending river of complaints..err opinions, I mean, prove that you two will have no trouble building your own sim!

Cobra

[Wanker]

Bring on the JU-88. It'll come in pretty handy when we start planning large scenarios.

I'm already starting to think about a huge Eastern front scenario.....

Come to think of it, a Russian bomber would come in very handy for that scenario!

[HABICHT]

often posted, but no reply.
once more!
HTC why don't you give us a HE177???.it would
be a good (AND FIRST!!!!) AXIS bomber with
good payload and defense abilities. not like
a ju88 a4 (mid '41!!!) with nearly same pay-
load like a jug!.
if you think of ships then think of the FITZ
glide bombs they could carry.
once you said, that there would be planes
modelled other sims haven't. well give the
ah pilots the he177.
ok, ju will be good for bob, but will still
have no 109e and spit1 and hurry for it.

second question.
why got allied 3rd late-war buff (lancester)
and no early-mid one like axis??
because no one would fly BLENHEIM when there
is a b26 and b17 aviable. same would happen
to the ju88, pure SEA buff.

all out there, pls think about it!

HABICHT
XO JG54"Gruenherz"

[Karnak]

HABICHT,
Who says the Lancaster is late war?!?!?!?

The Lancaster is early 1942.

Its not HTCs fault that the vaunted Germans couldn't produce a decent bomber.

We may get a late war Lanc, but the thing changed very little from '42 to '45.  Bomber Command evaluated each and every suggested change on the criteria of "Would this put more pounds of bombs on Germany?"  If the aswer was "No", for whatever reason (and it usally was), the change didn't happen.

Jeez, if you're going to complain endlessly at least know your stuff.

Sisu
-Karnak

[This message has been edited by Karnak (edited 07-20-2000).]

[Kieren]

 

HTC why don't you give us a HE177???

Got any accurate flight data on it?  

[Pongo]

To paraphrase Pyro,
If you dont like your Battle of Britain bomber you get nothing.

Karnak seems to be saying that since the Germans did not have the best bombers in the world in 1944, AH should have a 1941 axis bomber. Give him a lanc with only 303s and listen to the roar.

I have to assume that Pyro has good reasons to include such a pathetically early plane in the plane set when the 188 and 177 would appear to make so much more sense. Maybe the 20mm defensive guns didnt fit in with his increased leathality bomber guns.

Maybe the Fort would be quite rare with a non engine problem 177 in the game. No. Im sure its not that. It will be interesting to see how many JU pilots want to brave their dual 7.92mm against the planes in the MA.

He 123 next?

[Kieren]

More thoughts...

Ju88A-4   1940
B-26B     1942
B-17G     1942-43
Lancaster 1942

Got that out of the way, now let's discuss what you really have.

The B-26B's role is well defined in AH- fast bomber, low alt, weak defensive armament. Result: easy to shoot down, but effective in the right hands. basically a bomber that can strafe targets, but quad .50' not very lethal.

B-17G: Slow to climb, carries good payload, and has great defensive armament. Result: once it has alt it is hard to stop. Has only one role; heavy bomber.

Lancaster: Carries the biggest payload of all, but will have relatively weak armament. It has a low ceiling, and isn't very fast. Result: If you ignore it, it can clobber your cities. It is no match for the late war fighters of our arena, and will die in droves. It has only one role, heavy bomber.

Ju88: A fast medium bomber capable of doubling (when the variants arrive) as a bomber killer. It can torpedo. It can level bomb. It can dive bomb (shallow). It can be used in anti-shipping. In short, it was the LW jack-of-all-trades, and will have every bit as much chance surviving the arena as does the Lancaster, and possibly even the B26 (higher ceiling and more maneuverable).