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[UserName]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Conjecture, and hazy recollections,..or not..


no evidence = guilty    

Welcome to the new US of A bub!

[wulfie]

Hey, I'm in the military and I care.

But 'deserter' to me has a really strong connotation. If that were the real case I would have thought it would have been mentioned alot more strongly when he was running for President.

Like I've said - I want to hear from some ANG pilots. Specifically because I've known some ANG personnel that joked about showing up once a year long before the current President was ever running for President.

Mike/wulfie

[Kieran]

But 'deserter' to me has a really strong connotation. If that were the real case I would have thought it would have been mentioned alot more strongly when he was running for President.

Now Wulf, don't go applying common sense here. If there really was anything legal to it, the Dems would have jumped all over it- unless they were afraid it might uncover an even uglier skeleton in their own closet.

That said, it is a stretch to say he "served".

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Eagler

not as good as JFK (saved crew after having PT run over by jap destroyer) <- ever stop and think how an agile pt boat could be rammed by a relatively slow arse destoyer?

 

PT's were agile on paper, but rarely worked at optimum levels in the "field". A japanese destroyer probably had at least an equal top speed, and PT's often would shut down engines to listen for the enemy at night.

[AKDejaVu]

With the National Guard, you can just stop going.  Eventually, they will fire paperwork and you will be honorably discharged.  This is common knowledge.  I've done it myself.

What you cannot do is to fail to respond to an activation recall.  Basically, from the day you enlist, you are obligated to 8 years of inactive reserve.  Active duty time counts against that, so if you serve a 4 year term, you then have 4 years of inactive reserve.

Orders and activation are two different things.

The only thing I can think applies here is that he stopped attending the guard and was in limbo between being discharged from the guard and going into inactive reserve.

I really think that if someone wants to know what's going on here, the policies of the U.S.A.F.N.G is where you should start looking.  It is a completely different world.

AKDejaVu

[mietla]

Originally posted by midnight Target
PT's were agile on paper, but rarely worked at optimum levels in the "field". A japanese destroyer probably had at least an equal top speed, and PT's often would shut down engines to listen for the enemy at night.

I watched a documentary about this incident some time ago. If I remember correctly they were sleeping when it happened.

[john9001]

JFK's boat was setting dead in the water when the destroyer ran him down , the destroyer prob didn't even see him.

JFK did not "save the crew" , he pulled one wounded man to shore.

[Eagler]

Originally posted by john9001
JFK's boat was setting dead in the water when the destroyer ran him down , the destroyer prob didn't even see him.

JFK did not "save the crew" , he pulled one wounded man to shore.

didn't he then swim to some island or have the natives row him some where to get help, thus he got the credit?

[weazel]

Much loyalty chimpys handout bought him isn't it?

If Clinton had done the same he prolly could have had a 3rd term.

VOTES FOR SALE!

[Krusher]

Originally posted by weazel
Much loyalty chimpys handout bought him isn't it?

If Clinton had done the same he prolly could have had a 3rd term.

VOTES FOR SALE!

Pssst the demcrats in the house and senate asked pushed for the rebate....


just saying

[john9001]

tax rebate a "hand out"?? that was MY MONEY the govt gave back to me.

[Yeager]

Guys, post some credible references/links so that we can all check this out for accuracy.

Have heard this stiff whispered about but no one with any mainstream media credibility or otherwise has come forward with any sort of claim, let alone proof.


Really need to give some sources here or you stand the chance of coming off as ignorqant dumb asses.  Wouldnt want that

[Hangtime]

Monkey Boy is a sleeze. His 'service' is non-existant, his credibility as a 'serviceman' is also non-existant.

As for Kennedy.. Eagler, yer history apple has lost it's polish.

Datapoint.. a 65' MTB cannot leap fom zero to plane and then to 40 knots speed in less than 3 min. Sleeping or not, under those conditions (pitch black darkness), where he was and the relative positions of the two vessels spelled doom for the 109.. only thing that might have saved her is if she was aleady in motion... which she was not. Per ORDERS.

Secondly.. how did Kennedy handle the crisis?? ALL info indicates he kept his head, did an exemplary job of keepin his survivors together and then getting them rescued. He put his OWN life at risk far more than any other individual of that party did, and prevented the crew from surrendering when it became apparent that the Navy had stopped looking for them.

Lastly, Eagler, the fact that most of us are still alive is because of Kennedy.. he pulled us thru the Cuban missile showdown... hint CRISIS.. frankly, I would not have given 2 cents for our chances with Nixon facing Kruschev.

Takin pokes at Kennedys courage under fire because us vets think Monkey Boy is panzie assed weazel is kinda lame.

[easymo]

"But 'deserter' to me has a really strong connotation."

  Yes it does.  And by every piece of evidence I can find.  It applies here.

"Now Wulf, don't go applying common sense here"
  O.K. Lets.
In answer to comments of this type. Let me remind you, there was a cold war on at the time.  The Russians where the biggest threat we faced, not the Vietnamese.  The NG of that era was a very large part of our defenses. Also you didn't "just quit" in those days.

On a side note.  One thing I ran across, while looking for an alternative answer, was that the balls and determination where supplied by his daddy, who set the job up with his cronies down here in Texas.

  Another point of common sense for me is this. If you are looking for a saint. You don't go looking  among the ranks of the politicians first.  But, the Prez is also the CaC.  I don't feel comfortable with either a draft dodger, or a deserter, in the big chair.

[weazel]

You will upset the republican revisionests who claim EVERYTHING GOOD comes as the result of chimpy being in the White House.

Originally posted by Krusher
Pssst the demcrats in the house and senate asked pushed for the rebate....


just saying

Sheesh hang, don't insult me by using my moniker in conjunction with monkey boy.

 I may be an amazinhunk but I'll never sink as low as the deserter POTUS.