Jr. 2

[mietla]

Originally posted by Eagler
didn't he then swim to some island or have the natives row him some where to get help, thus he got the credit?

Yes he did. And according to this documentary that put him in hot water just after the incident. The scrict procedure was for the crew to stay together and his action was initially interpreted as a violation of the procedure and abandoning the crew.

With time though (and some propaganda from a daddy), it was turned into heroic act of "saving" the crew.

[easymo]

A word on Kennedy.

 He is in the ground.  He has been there for a VERY long time. He is interesting; you should start a thread.

Jr. on the other hand is in th WH now.  And, he may be leading us into a full scale war. What type of man he is, is of some very, current interest.

[popeye]

Darn it....where is Ken Starr when we need him?

[Kieran]

Easymo-

If you think I am hoisting GWB as some sort of perfection, you have me all wrong. I simply think Wulf makes a very good point about the issue not being used during the election. The Dems would never have let that one slide if they really had anything- unless the rebuttal would have been far worse for the Dems. Common sense suggests there was nothing unlawful done, or at least nothing unlawful that could be proven.

I totally understand how you as someone who served in the jungles would feel about him, and I would never try to convince you otherwise.

Oh and Weazel... could you explain the difference between conservatives voting for tax breaks and liberals voting for entitlements? Seems like votes for sale, doesn't it?

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[Eagler]

ain't taken pokes, asked a question about the collision as I was too lazy to look it up myself

continue with bush bashing pls

[easymo]

Kieran.  I assumed the same thing, about the election.  That is why I never bothered to look into it.  The problem with listening to lefties, is that the constant barrage of popaganda, near truths, and half truths, make it impossible to completely belive anything comming from their camp. I set out on this thing expecting to find that their was a little truth in it, but that it was blown out of perportion. What I found, was that I was wrong.  The guy flat bellybutton deserted. If you can find anything that I missed.  I am eager to read it.

[Kieran]

If that's the case, Easymo, I'd say you may be right (at least from the moral standpoint). The only question then would be what the Dems might have been afraid of. That of course is another thread.

[Nash]

I remember reading about this during the election. There was some kind of agreement by both sides not to raise the issue... It was due to the fact that Gore's record, while a hell of a lot better than a deserters (he served), still smacked of priveledge.

So they decided to not even get into it. Mud on both of them.

The reason the Dems didn't bring this up during the election had nothing to do with whether or not Bush deserted. It was merely politics, served up election style. Don't use that as some kind of 'evidence' or better yet come to a "common sense" conclusion that Bush must not have deserted.

[Krusher]

Originally posted by easymo
What I found, was that I was wrong.  The guy flat bellybutton deserted. If you can find anything that I missed.  I am eager to read it.

First off if you do a google search you will notice EVERYONE of the top pages are flat out Anti-Bush in the Free republic type mode. The main stream media looked at the story and decided to drop it for lack of supportable Evidence (documents and eye witnesses)
You can make your own decision on the credibility of the story. I really dont care one way or the other.

If you want to do some extra research you might want to start with the article in the LA Times that started all of this. In 1999 they did a series of articles on GWB including his service record. They made every effort to show that GWB was given special treatment and deserted, but in the end they admitted that they have NO evidence that Bush was given special treatment or that he deserted.

They pointed to a court document from a AL. gaurd unit officer who said he was asked by a FRIEND of GWB's dad to push it through. He said under oath that while he did process the paper work he never gave him any abnormal help. They also spoke with his 84 year old former AL. Gaurd CO who said he dosnt remember ever seeing him.

They do have concrete documented evidence that he failed to drill in a timely matter. He did make up most if not all of the drills in the last months of his service.

(stolen from a news article)
Assessing Bush's military service three decades later is no easy task: Some of his superiors are no longer alive. Others declined to comment, or, understandably, cannot recall details about Bush's comings and goings. And as Bush has risen in public life over the last several years, Texas military officials have put many of his records off-limits and heavily redacted many other pages, ostensibly because of privacy rules.


Retired Colonel Maurice H. Udell, Bush's instructor in the F-102, said he was impressed with Bush's talent and his attitude. ''He had his boots shined, his uniform pressed, his hair cut and he said, `Yes, sir' and `No, sir,''' the instructor recalled.
Said Udell, ''I would rank him in the top 5 percent of pilots I knew. And in the thinking department, he was in the top 1 percent. He was very capable and tough as a boot.''

[easymo]

"He did make up most if not all of the drills in the last months of his service."

 Please post a link.  What I found was that he went missing the intire last year of his service.