Global warming evidence, a question...

[ra]

comparing average and maximun as no sense !

He didn't compare them, he specifically said they are two different measurements.

"One rank for the Dweeb Lord. One rank to rule them all. One rank to find them, atract them and hide them into darkness... "

Now THAT makes no sense.

[capt. apathy]

When I read reports about new global warming evidence and rersearch I often see a statement like: "these are the highest temperatures ever seen in the area since the 19XX" or one on CNN.com now that says "Greenland is experiencing a warm spell unseen since the 1930s", as opposed to highest temperature on record statistics.

I know this can be read to assume that temps where this warm in 1930's (or 19xx  whatever)

alot of times what this means is they didn't start recording temps in that area until the date given it doesn't nescasarily mean that it was actually this hot before.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Hello:
 
When I read reports about new global warming evidence and rersearch I often see a statement like: "these are the highest temperatures ever seen in the area since the 19XX" or one on CNN.com now that says "Greenland is experiencing a warm spell unseen since the 1930s", as opposed to highest temperature on record statistics.  Well doesnt this go against the argument they are making that these temperatures are unnnatural and due to recent modern human pollution if they were seen so long ago before the vast majority of human polluting activity?

Anyone?

If the "evidence" is posted as you wrote it, then you are correct, it isn't valid. This does NOT mean that Global Warming is not an issue, just that the question you wrote it is an example of incomplete information.

And that's about as close as I've ever come to agreeing with you that I can recall. --- Merry Christmas
 

[ccvi]

With every degree Kelvin earth temperature rises rate of evaporization of water increases three times as much as melting rate of ice.

If you do the quantum mechanics of absorbtion and reflection you'll find out that CO2 does not have the effect proposed using colorful pictures.

[straffo]

Originally posted by ra
He didn't compare them, he specifically said they are two different measurements.

"One rank for the Dweeb Lord. One rank to rule them all. One rank to find them, atract them and hide them into darkness... "

Now THAT makes no sense.

just ask my Spanish translator

[hardcase]

The heat energy is trapped regardless of the evaporation of the oceans, the energy use to evaporate is still around. That system is a closed system and does not reduce the heat in the total system.

HC

[GRUNHERZ]

MT I think we agreed on things before but recently you seem all pissed off at my incesseant provocations...

I'm pretty sure our pollution output is causing some real measurable warming but I just dont see much dramatic evidence to support some of equally dramatic claims of imminent disaster put out by so many radical environmentalists.

So I wonder when they say the things I was asking about.

Anyway merry christmas to you and your family!  

[midnight Target]

Never was "pissed off". If it seemed like I was then it is my poor attempts at sarcasm.

[lazs2]

I  need to know if I still need to be puncturing freon cylinders in order to avert the ice age or have we manged to stave it off  allready?
lazs

[ra]

I'm frikkin freezing, keep puncturing.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by lazs2
I  need to know if I still need to be puncturing freon cylinders in order to avert the ice age or have we manged to stave it off  allready?
lazs

lazs are you saying that the global surface temperature is not increasing at an increasing rate, the polar ice caps aren't melting and that glaciers are receeding at an unprecidented rate?

[miko2d]

As far as I know in 70's they predicted the ice age by 2000 because of human-caused pollution.

 Glaciers recede in one place but accumulate in others.

 The "normal" climate in Europe is a huge anomaly - about 20 degrees celsius ~ 38F higher than it should be at those latitudes. Just compare it with Canada or Siberia. The reason for that is Gulfstream bringing enormous amount of heat north.

 The Gulfstream has a built-in mechanism that causes it's disruption every few hundred of years followed by a local ice age.

The european glaciers and polar icecap accumulate during that mini-ice age time. The gulfstream restarts and it's salt water brings a lot of heat north, releases it into the athmosphere. The colder water sinks down and returns back and that is what keeps it going.

 After a while the polar icecaps and Greenlang/Island glasiers melt and cover the area with few feet of fresh water. The gulfstream's dense salty water even though it is warmer, cannot get to the surface and release heat as well. So it does not sink. The gulfstream stops and the ice-age starts again. Nothing to do with humans or global warming.

 miko

[hardcase]

There is probably a Sun Heating Cycle related to 50k years of an ice age. This global warming is a new mechanism and we are in the middle of what is essentially a global experiment. What will happen if we dump huge amounts of Green House Gases into the atmosphere? We and the grandchildrn are about to find out..Lets watch!

HC

[Thrawn]

Miko, where are the glaciers progressing?

[JB73]

i am not reading all this ..

but i believe you are referring to the non-recorded data from the last 20,000 years.

were there warming trends ... were there cooling trends.

yes there were. the warmup that ended the ice age makes today's weather look like a freezer.

there are theroies about 5,000 year trends in temp. of the earth and we are hitting a high point they believe.

i do not have the data in fromt of me and it's real late but doa search for tempature trends or something and youll prob. find it.

oh well my 2¢