Author Topic: Trent Lott?? (Read 2080 times)

Arfann · « **Reply #15 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:42:15 PM »

It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.

Montezuma · « **Reply #16 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:42:36 PM »

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Originally posted by H. Godwineson
Montezuma,

Lott didn't say that either. He said the country would have been better off if Strom Thurmond had won his bid for President.
Shuckins

'The problem is that Strom Thurmond's "Dixiecrat" 1948 presidential candidacy was based pretty much entirely on opposing any push for civil rights for black Americans. We're not even talking about opposing, say, the 1964 Civil Rights Act, which would be hard enough to defend. We're talking 1948. Strom Thurmond didn't just oppose voting rights for blacks -- he opposed anti-lynching laws.'

Washington Times
(not liberals)

'Meanwhile, what are black Republicans supposed to say when fellow blacks ask why we belong to a party whose Senate leader publicly applauded Thurmond's 1948 presidential bid? Thurmond ran, in part, by opposing anti-lynching legislation — that is, prohibitions against hanging black men from trees until dead. If Republicans — black and otherwise — must spend the next two years reassuring Americans that we oppose lynching, we might as well pull white pillowcases over our heads.'

National Review
(also not liberals)

Sandman · « **Reply #17 on:** December 12, 2002, 01:46:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Dune
Either way, Bush just came out and blasted him for it.

Yeah yeah... and we all know what a champion Bush is on civil rights...

Kieran · « **Reply #18 on:** December 12, 2002, 02:13:57 PM »

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That is idiotic. What black politician who would make a statement that anti-lynching laws and allowing blacks to vote were mistakes?

Please, you're smarter than that. The point of my post is that only minorities are allowed to make blatantly racist comments in public and get away with it, and you damn well know it.

Of course it was a stupid thing to say, but... if politicians were always ousted for saying stupid things, there would be no politicians. By the same token, you would have been fired long ago, because it is likely you've said something stupid and insensitive at work. I certainly have.

Wanna comment on Daschle's outburst last month? Should he have stepped down, being the idiot he is? Do you believe Clinton should have stepped down when he lied to your face? That was pretty ill-advised, too.

Lott may or may not be a racist- frankly, I don't care. There are plenty of racists on the other side to balance him out. In the end, I still get to look at his voting record, don't I? I think I can figure out if his legislation has a racial slant to it, and I can vote accordingly the next election.

And please, stop pretending the Republicans have the corner on the racial market.

ra · « **Reply #19 on:** December 12, 2002, 02:31:01 PM »

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It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.

I'm a conservative and Lott doesn't represent me in this or any other statement he makes. He is a professional politician, thus anything that spews forth is completely self-serving, even this blather about the mummy's election run 50 years ago. If you think this tempest in a teapot is going to translate into Democratic votes next election cycle, keep dreaming. Dems already get 95% of the black vote and 100% of the guilty white vote, so there's not much more you can do with this issue.

ra

H. Godwineson · « **Reply #20 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:07:56 PM »

Fellow conservatives. Our Democratic friends have us figured out. If we have a kind word for someone who once took an idiotic, racist stand then we are actually saying that we agreed with that stance (Wink! Wink!) How clever of them to see through our charade. Our racist sentiments should be more closely guarded. Sieg Heil!

Shuckins

SirLoin · « **Reply #21 on:** December 12, 2002, 03:14:52 PM »

What takes the cake is Jesse Jackson slamming Lott's remarks...What a hypocrite(Re.Hymietown New York)

midnight Target · « **Reply #22 on:** December 12, 2002, 04:13:09 PM »

Well, G Dubya slammed him good.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/845511.asp?0cv=CA01

whgates3 · « **Reply #23 on:** December 12, 2002, 04:51:17 PM »

for a guy who's only concern about his people is their loyalty to him, W doesn't seem to show much when one of his people is in need of support. i expect the senate republican leadership & the executive republican leadership just got a lot less cooperative

john9001 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 12, 2002, 05:00:26 PM »

i thought lynching had always been against the law.

Gunthr · « **Reply #25 on:** December 12, 2002, 08:53:56 PM »

It's called P-R-I-N-C-I-P-E-L-E-S. (or however you spell it) I believe that the Republican Party has them.

I am a conservative Republilcan.

I have no need to defend Mr. Lott. He has demonstrated that he doesn't possess the qualities necessary to lead.

What I hate about modern day politics is that so many people feel that they have to defend their party, right or wrong.

I don't think Bush is like that. I'm not like that. I hope most Americans are not like that.

Lets put PRINCIPLES over partisanship.

Kieran · « **Reply #26 on:** December 12, 2002, 08:59:48 PM »

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Originally posted by whgates3
for a guy who's only concern about his people is their loyalty to him, W doesn't seem to show much when one of his people is in need of support. i expect the senate republican leadership & the executive republican leadership just got a lot less cooperative

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, right? Which way would you have had Bush go?

wklink · « **Reply #27 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:06:08 PM »

It was a stupid statement by Senator Lott. Something he should never have said. THis isn't the first time he has said something like this.

For some congressman or low ranking Senator to say something like this is bad enough but the highest ranking Republican in the Senate to say it is unconscionable (sp?). He knows the mikes are under his nose and I know he was being nice to Senator Thurmond but this was totally inappropriate. I know Senator Byrd has said and done things just as bad but he is not Senate majority leader and probably would never be simply because of his past.

The leader of the Republican Party should show a higher level IMHO. I am a Registered Republican, devout conservative and am apalled at what Lott said. The Republican Party and what we stand for as Republicans can help the African American members of our society more than anything the Democrats can do. You can't convince them of that if you go around making stupid statements like Lott did. Endorsing, either directly or indirectly (like Sen. Lott did) Jim Crow will not endear yourself to the African Americans and will not convince them that the rhetoric put out by the Democrats is anything but the truth.

He should step down as Majority Leader. He should stay in the Senate (Hollings and Byrd are there after all) but he doesn't need to be the spokesman for the Republican Senate.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #28 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:26:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Kieran
Please, you're smarter than that. The point of my post is that only minorities are allowed to make blatantly racist comments in public and get away with it, and you damn well know it.

That is interesting. Why don't we get one black man's opinion on this issue:

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Lott might survive all this. He is not black. If he were, and if he had associated with a racist black organization, the media would have pressed his pants while he was wearing them.

Stanley Crouch article

wklink · « **Reply #29 on:** December 12, 2002, 09:31:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Arfann
It's really funny to watch them scramble trying to make it sound like a mis-statement instead of him "letting the cat out of the bag" regarding conservative sentiments in general.

Yeah, right.

You obviously have no clue as to what true conservatism believes because if you did you wouldn't make a statment like that.

True conservatives don't believe in racism because Racism in and ot itself goes against the entire concept of conservative thought. Concervatives believe that all human beings, every one, has natural (insert God given if you want) abilities and that everyone should have the same opportunity to succeed. Concervatisim believes that we all have the possiblity to succeed in this country if we put forth the effort. It doesn't say we all will succeed it means that we all have the same opportunity. That is why people can rise from nothing and lead large companies. That is why people like Alexander Bell and the Wright Brothers can succeed, because they all had the freedom to realize their dreams.

No conservative, no true one anyway, condones what Trent Lott said. To say that all conservatives are racist is simply a stupid statement and I expect better than that from people. There are plenty of racist liberals out there, possibly more than on the concervative side. Welfare programs and programs targeted to minorities are naturally racist, it assumes that the recipients of such funding are either too lazy or too stupid to take care of themselves and must have government to help them out. The funny part is the recipients often don't even realize the insult that is thrown their way.