Author Topic: Which mobo would you recomend????? (Read 1202 times)

coop2 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 22, 2002, 03:48:02 AM »

Are u serious???? I hope this dosen't sound bad but I *think* (wink, wink) my OS is a copy of XP pro!!!! How serious are they about regulating the programs a computer has?????? I d/l a ton of MP3s as well. YYou are right when usay that it is the ulitmate in "big brother", can't do anything without being watched. Is thier any way I can block this out or anything, I sure hope so or else I am really screwed. I like to continue this in a private discussion. please email me or send me a private post.

thank you

mike

mrsid2 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 22, 2002, 03:52:45 AM »

If you're an american and believe in freedom, you SHOULD read and sign this petition and all others you can find:

http://www.petitiononline.com/nixdmca/petition.html

Tumor · « **Reply #32 on:** December 24, 2002, 04:05:40 PM »

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Originally posted by mrsid2
If you're an american and believe in freedom, you SHOULD read and sign this petition and all others you can find:

http://www.petitiononline.com/nixdmca/petition.html

MS can do what they want to limit use... doesn't phase me a bit. Whatever they do thats not acceptable will be cracked, hacked, chew'd up and spit out before it even gets released

It's a good thing there are so many smart folks out there who's goal in life is to do stuff like that.

OZkansas · « **Reply #33 on:** December 25, 2002, 08:03:38 AM »

First of all don't, I repeat don't use an AMD CPU. Buy Intel and the Asus P4PE board.

All I see on these boards are troubles associated with AMD. I have built a number of Intel CPU machines and have had no trouble. They fire up right away and work as advertised.

If ya love spending time tracking down problems and spending a whole bunch of time under the hood of your computer by all means buy AMD. If ya can't afford to upgrade to Intel I feel real sorry for ya as you have no choise:( You will have to buy the headache CPU:(

Good luck if ya are stuck with AMD.

V-card:This is either ATI or a ti4600. Have 4600 and am pleased. Have only heard good things about ATI. Best way to find out what you like is to try both!

Tumor · « **Reply #34 on:** December 25, 2002, 12:05:58 PM »

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Originally posted by OZkansas
First of all don't, I repeat don't use an AMD CPU. Buy Intel and the Asus P4PE board.

All I see on these boards are troubles associated with AMD. I have built a number of Intel CPU machines and have had no trouble. They fire up right away and work as advertised.

If ya love spending time tracking down problems and spending a whole bunch of time under the hood of your computer by all means buy AMD. If ya can't afford to upgrade to Intel I feel real sorry for ya as you have no choise:( You will have to buy the headache CPU:(

Good luck if ya are stuck with AMD.

V-card:This is either ATI or a ti4600. Have 4600 and am pleased. Have only heard good things about ATI. Best way to find out what you like is to try both!

Oh you HAD to do it didn't ya Oz!!! ROFL!!

mrsid2 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 26, 2002, 12:00:51 PM »

Tumor if the computer has the locking mechanism built in to hardware its extremely difficult to get a universal hack to circumvent it.

Therefore I'm going to stay on hardware that will never implement this functionality.

Tumor · « **Reply #36 on:** December 26, 2002, 01:48:25 PM »

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Originally posted by mrsid2
Tumor if the computer has the locking mechanism built in to hardware its extremely difficult to get a universal hack to circumvent it.

Therefore I'm going to stay on hardware that will never implement this functionality.

ok..... I have no idea what you're talking about? Are you referring to CPRM? If so, thats hard-drives and such, not cpu's and requires all parties involved to sign-on (except end user) and it definately hasn't been the big success it was thought to be (by the entertaiment suits). I can't find anything on cassandra. If it's whatever MS called the algorithm they built into the last service pack (software), that was hacked before the service pack was released. Without a good key OR a hack the service pack would lock you out... but only to a point. I'm interested... gotta link?

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Originally posted by mrsid2
If the Digital Millenium Act goes through, none of the Intel owners really own their computers anymore.. Because your computer will be controlled totally by a third party, Microsoft and RIAA.

.....it was signed in to law in 1998 by Kommrad Clinton.

mrsid2 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 27, 2002, 02:12:21 AM »

Tumor it couldn't have been signed in -98 because the whole initiative was made in 2002. Probably what I'm talking about is an addition to the old act..

There really aren't articles around about cassandra, I must have remembered the name wrong. In any case, it's a system which Intel hardware will have built in to the cpu's and motherboards. It will lock out non-signed digital content by hardware.

Here's one example although not exactly what I was talking about:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15686.html

Tumor · « **Reply #38 on:** December 27, 2002, 12:44:20 PM »

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Originally posted by mrsid2
Tumor it couldn't have been signed in -98 because the whole initiative was made in 2002. Probably what I'm talking about is an addition to the old act..

There really aren't articles around about cassandra, I must have remembered the name wrong. In any case, it's a system which Intel hardware will have built in to the cpu's and motherboards. It will lock out non-signed digital content by hardware.

Here's one example although not exactly what I was talking about:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/2/15686.html

Well... it was signed into law in 1998.

http://www.educause.edu/issues/dmca.html

http://www.arl.org/info/frn/copy/band.html

http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/hr2281_dmca_law_19981020_pl105-304.html

Your article covered CPRM, and from Dec 2000 (2000 is the latest "big" news I can find on it. It's just not a big deal 2yrs later (not saying it or something like it won't be, however right now it's not... and I've ~never~ heard anything about it being included (or anything like it) in cpu's or motherboards. Intel CPU's do(did?) have a neat little gizmo built in that would report back to MS... which you can disable from your bios, but thats a whole different story.... folks routinely send gobs of data to MS already from a couple of different sources on your computer already... and even thats no big deal... MS "may" have the time, they "probably" have the ability to compile data but... IMHO they have very little ability or desire to start chasing every single MP3 downloader in the world (among other things)... even Billy boy can't afford that.

CPRM (2000)

3. How does this "break" existing software?

In itself, it doesn't. Several things must happen. The hardware must be CPRM-compliant, and have CPRM activated in the firmware by the manufacturer, and the user must then download CPRM-ready media, such as audio files or documents, using CPRM-compliant software. The media downloaded must also have restrictions placed upon its reproduction - but then, that's the whole point of protecting files with CPRM isn't it?

The user must also have the keys - or access to the keys - when the signed media is moved, or copied or deleted. Downloaded media is associated with an individual drive, so if you can't produce the keys, then restore operations will fail. If you can't produce the keys, then RAID software will break. If you can't produce the keys, file optimisation and disk defragmenters will be unable to move the blocks used by the media. If you can't produce the keys, one-to-many imaging programs will break...

mrsid2 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 27, 2002, 01:06:04 PM »

Tumor I really haven't dug into it closer since it doesn't directly affect me.. But it seemed to raise alarm in the hardware community around summertime 2002, not two years ago. So there must be a new amendment being lobbyed to it or something.

The thing you're talking about is the unique serial number in Intel CPU's which was the first step in slowly implementing this new technology. Thier aim is to make your computer uniquely identifiable and then by forced hardware, enforce digital copyrights and media content.

The technology I'm talking about 'breaks' current software if it's not tagged by MS etc. as a 'legal licensed' software (theoretically.)

Since it's not yet implemented, nobody really knows what might come out of it. Basically it enables the content providers to control anything you run on your computer, anyway. That means your computer won't boot with Linux or illegal MS OS on hd, your computer won't play mp3's which haven't been paid for etc. nasty stuff. At worst case scenario it might mean total control of the files you're allowed to see and use on your computer, with your government (or government within the government, MS) controlling what you should or should not see on the files or even on internet, for example.

Some people took it seriously enough to file a patent to it's use as an OS licencing tool (in attempt to stop MS from using it as such despite thier assurances that it won't happen.)

Some of the functionality is already in the software such as MS mediaplayer 9. If MS chooses they can set your mediaplayer not to play your free downloaded mp3's or avis anymore - and you approved it all when you signed the EULA.

Needless to say I don't have MP9 installed..

Sorry I don't have more exact links available atm, but at the time I read about it, it was considered a viable threat to digital freedom.

Chairboy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 20, 2003, 10:28:55 AM »

You're talking about Palladium, something unrelated to the Digital Millenium copyright act. You just got them confused.

Palladium will be an OS that integrates with a special BIOS to only run code that is 'trusted' by Microsoft or some other signing authority. Things that'll never be meet the standards of 'trust'? MP3 rippers, Linux, and P2P sharing programs. I imagine Microsoft's competition will need to jump through some real hurdles to be 'trusted' as well.