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Offline SFRT - Frenchy

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« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2002, 11:59:32 AM »
Loved it! Way better than the first as far as I'm concerned.

Most of camera shots could be used as a poster I think. I'm amazed by the attention to details, even in the background.

The soundtrack is awsome, sticks great to the events or feelings. I appreciated the extra time spent on the understanding of each characters state of mind and motivation.

The battle sequences are :eeck:

Fan or not, it's a must see on a movie screen.

Only regrets :
- I still don't really understand the true power of the ring. (makes u evil and so what?)
- the bad guy who died on part1, his body is dead but not his mind? The ring can bring him back to life?
- I wished I could have seen the king's daughter go Yodalistic.
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« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2002, 12:15:02 PM »
SFRT-FRENCHY,

The ring gives the wearer the power to see into the minds of the wearers of the other rings of power and to control them.  Sauron, who created the master ring, had a hand in the making of the other rings of power, which were held by elves, men, and dwarves.  When his designs became apparent, the elves hid their rings, but the men who held the others were ensnared, and became Sauron's greatest servants.  It helps to read The Silmarillion which explains the origins of Sauron and Gandalf.  They are not really wizards, but angelic beings created by the One (Illuvatar), at the beginning of time.  It is they who helped shape the world.  They are bound to the world and the beings of their order helped fashion all life on it, except for elves and men, who are the Children of Illuvatar.  They were forbidden to interfere with the wills of men and elves, but one of the highest of these beings, Morgoth, rebelled and sought to dominate the world.  He seduced many of the lesser orders to his service.  One of the mightest of his servants was Sauron.  It was Morgoth who created the orcs (goblins).  He trapped some of the first elves to appear in the world and, in violation of the will of Illuvatar, changed them into the race of orcs.

After Morgoth was defeated and cast from the world, Sauron went into hiding, reappearing in a later age feigning friendship to the elves.  It was then that he helped the elves in the forging of the rings of power, whose purpose was to heal and bring peace and happiness.  Sauron betrayed the elves when he forged the One Ring.  

Anyone with a great power of will can use the ring to dominate the will of others.  Those, like Gandalf, Elrond, and Galadriel, who have great power of their own can enhance that power with the ring.  But ultimately, Sauron's malice, inherent in the ring, will overthrow them, and they will emerge as a new Dark Lord.

Clear enough?

Shuckins

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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2002, 12:46:48 PM »
Only regrets :
- I still don't really understand the true power of the ring. (makes u evil and so what?)

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Its Evil....listen carefully too Gandalf or Galadriel when they refuse too take the ring.....If galadriel had it...she would literally destroy the Earths foundation(keep in mind...tolkeins world is 1 of magic and fantasy)....the ring woulda changed her(to the DARK side) and ENHANCED galandriels powers(she's an ELF-WITCH....she already has some powers...like gandalf).....If say a Boromir takes the ring....he can command the NAZGUL to do his biding.
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- the bad guy who died on part1, his body is dead but not his mind? The ring can bring him back to life?
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again fantasy.....Sauron put all of his life force into the ring....kill his body...but ya can't kill his soul(life force)

Gandalf who comes from the same descendents as Sauron.....Ya can't kill Gandalf so easily...same as Sauron....BTW he didn't die......his physical self was seperated from the ring....but the ring still has his life force...thats why he wants it back...so he can come back PHYSICALLY...in the movie...he's only a Burning EYE

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- I wished I could have seen the king's daughter go Yodalistic.

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if the movie holds true to the book.....you will see her go yodalistic

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If ya want I can point you to an excellent web site....has alot of very good info...

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« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2002, 12:48:54 PM »
The 9 actors that played the orginal fellowship have all gotten the elvish sybol for the number 9 tattoed on them, out geek that.  :D


The killed Faramir? :(

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« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2002, 12:51:07 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn


The killed Faramir? :(



NO.....

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« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2002, 12:52:09 PM »
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Originally posted by Thrawn


The killed Faramir? :(


WHAT??????

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« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2002, 12:55:34 PM »
Awsome! Thank you indeed!

How do Orcs are created ... they seem that they come from earth out of a shell. I thought they were dead soldiers ressucitated.

As far as the general story, but it has nothing to do with lords of the rings in particular. What is the point of an evil army? I mean, Mordoth and it's orcs kill all humans, and rule middle earth ... heuu ... rule what? ruins? What do the orcs do once they kill everyone ... all they can do is march in order and slash stuff.

Mordoth as kill everyone, owns the place and has orcs walking around in boredom.
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« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2002, 01:11:53 PM »
ok ok frenchy.....very hard to understand you...but since i'm french like you..maybe i can help:p


think religion for 1 sec....

God= aluvatar

Morgoth=Lucifer

Sauron=hhmm kinda like the devil on earth

Sauron is a disciple of Morgoth.

Sauron really really doesn't like Elves....or humans.....he wants to exterminate them.....since he can't rule them.

he wants a world where HE can rule....thats why he makes war.....just like Hitler(visions of grandeur).

since I can't rule you...I'll kill you instead

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« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2002, 01:26:06 PM »
Ok I got this part, but like you say : I can't rule you, I kill you.
So he kills everyone, what is left to rule? Orcs?

Orcs are meaning less they cannot do anything except fight. Humans, Elves are interesting because they have their own personality, they can create, they can invent, they choose their lifestyle.

Is it like :
"I cannot go out with all those top models, so I kill them all. It's leaving me with all those fat uggly chicks who watch TV all day. I don't even want to touch them anyway"
What's the point?

This appart, I checked some web site and I'm amazed by the LOTR word and thinking process ... I'm getting geeky nerdy ... oh no! I will stop reading because those web site give all the answers I need but also what will come next in the final chapter.

Was UO an "remake/copy" of LOTR online? With those movies, I'm surprised that such an online game is not in the store yet.

Thank you again for your time trying to explain me, appreciated.
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« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2002, 05:33:11 PM »
He doesn't want to kill them all, he wants dominion.  Anyone who fights back dies, leaving him to rule the rest.  Make sense?

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« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2002, 05:45:22 PM »
Evil in middle earth is not the greedy, lusty, jeolous type...its raw evil..the control, torture, destroy type..just for the sake of it. The ultimate aim of Sauron or Morgoth would be destruction of everything..They are the enemies of existance.  So any action against thier minions is really in defence of existance. There is no moral ambiguity in fighting orcs..they will either kill or enslave(to kill later) you or you will kill them.
Tolkein is pretty black and white..
The moral dilema faced by the characters is not one of doing the right thing. Its of doing anything. The enemys primary power is of despair. Finding the will to oppose him at all takes increadable courage. Rousing the free people to oppose him takes a demi god and one of the greatest heros of men..that is what the books are about.
The books also focus heavily on faith. Tolkien was a devout Catholic. His charactors know that thier gods are real. Many of the charactors in the books have met them or are in fact thier direct emisaries. That faith has very real power and is centeral to the structure of the books.

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« Reply #56 on: December 19, 2002, 07:32:18 PM »
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« Reply #57 on: December 19, 2002, 07:43:03 PM »
I thought it was a great movie, cant wait for the next one :)

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« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2002, 10:41:06 PM »
Just got back from it..INCREDIBLE!!!!
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« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2002, 10:03:24 AM »
"The Fellowship of the Ring" was pure cinematic magic.  The casting was flawless and director Peter Jackson followed Tolkien's story line as closely as possible.  After watching it last December, I could scarcely contain my anticipation for the release of "The Two Towers."

I watched "The Two Towers" last night.  I can contain my anticipation for the release of "The Return of the King."

Perhaps I'm a purist, but I don't think it was nearly as good as the first movie.  Jackson couldn't resist the temptation to dither with the story line.  I expected some contraction of the story because of time concerns.  Even at that, it was too long.  Jackson added some things that were superfluous.  Tolkien's text is strong enough to stand on its' own.  The major criticisms are these:

1.  The length.  Three hours was enough to tell the story.  There were some scenes grafted onto the story that added little or nothing to it.  What purpose was served, for instance, by showing Aragorn disappear over a cliff and having to find his way alone to Helm's Deep.

2.  Gollum.  Computer graphics were great.  But I didn't really like the character being played for laughs.

3.  Line switching.  Gandalf's lines to Wormtongue being switched to Eomer.

4.  Eomer.  He should have been at Helm's Deep.  The finale of the battle should have been filmed the way Tolkien wrote it.  The Ent's and Huorns and Erkenbrand's men should have arrived to save the day.

5.  The arrival of Haldir and his Elves at Helm's Deep.  This would mean that Lothlorien was at peace and free from attack, which was far from the case in the book.

6.  Faramir kidnapping the Ring-Bearer and attempting to take him to Minas Tirith.  Again, what purpose was served by this.  It just added length to the movie without enriching the plot.

7.  Frodo facing the Ring-Wraith, in the open, with the ring in his hand.  The Wraith hesitating about taking it, long enough for Faramir to wound his steed with an arrow.  Another silly scene.

8.  Gimli.  Comedy can break up an otherwise ponderous script.  He was definitely a popular character with the audience I viewed the movie with.  Personally, I think it overshadowed his heroism.


High point of the movie:  The opening scene, in which Gandalf continued his battle with the Balrog.  That alone was worth the price of the movie.


Just my personal viewpoints.

Regards, Shuckins