Author Topic: HTC: What I learn't from AH and WW2OL in the last month (Read 6754 times)

Vulcan · « **Reply #75 on:** January 08, 2003, 03:50:58 PM »

How about when you spawn? Hows your framerate then.

Or compare it with the OFP engine. Intense scenery, camouflage, cities, bridges, roads, WEATHER effects, smoother ground. 3D playable forests. Then OFP also has to manage the AI (ie more workload than the ww2ol engine). Yet it still manages to do a way better job.

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Originally posted by RangerBob
You can't compare the two sims with that respect. One has very basic ground scenery, basic airfields, and very basic towns. The other has intense scenery, camouflage, cities, bridges, roads, and numerous ground players factoring into the equation. One is devoted to dogfighting and furballs, the other is providing a mission oriented combined air and land war.

Some enjoy one over the other, and this can be noted by visiting the various bbs systems.

Ranger Bob

hardcase · « **Reply #76 on:** January 08, 2003, 04:25:52 PM »

Vulcan where do you get these ideas? I think ww2ol is a tad more complex than any standalone, 32 player game.

BTW he told you he gets 40-70 is heavy dogfights.

Beegerite · « **Reply #77 on:** January 08, 2003, 10:01:10 PM »

Straffo;

Thanks for the linked document very interesting in the original French and the translation. As an inactive commercial pilot, I read a couple of interesting things e.g. it mentions the effects on maneuverability brought on by the leading edge slats of the ME109 (these are visually modelled in ww2ol but not in either AH or WB) and also mentions the effect of climbing with cowl flaps open (not modeled in any sim I know of).

My bottom line is that all of these are games. There isn't one full blown actual flight simulator in the lot. It's actually kind of embarrassing to me to even use the word flying when referring to what I do in either AH, WW2OL or WB. Best you can hope for is for a program to create the illusion of flight and as I've said previously, ww2ol does the best job of that through intense graphics which are burned into your brain allowing you to be satisfied with a much lower frame rate that you'll see anywhere else, an icon system second to none and just an overall ambience which is much truer to life than the CAVU world of other games (except MSFS when you crank in bad weather but that's another genre altogether).

Beeg

P.S. Where the hell are all you AH warriors at in ww2ol. Look me up on the Axis side Beeg01

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Originally posted by straffo
Do you read french ?

If so I can send you a 40 page official document about the performances of the D520 ...

Next you'll just have to compare with the WWIIol one ...

You can see another document here : http://www.pangea-systems.com/wwiiws/aircraft/D.520/DvsBf/

btw I don't think the D520 is really porked compared to her real life conter-part but I do think that the 109 and the Stuka have enormous FM problem.

thrila · « **Reply #78 on:** January 08, 2003, 10:58:02 PM »

Fired up ww2ol tonight- took a spit to lokeren East of Gent (well it began with L anyway). Saw a lone ju87 dived on him gave him a little burst that set him on fire, he went into a scissors i gave him another burst, he rolled onto his back and dived into the ground. I spot a damaged 110 (leaking white stuff from his right engine) slowly creeping up on him I blast the crap outta him at point blank range, 2 fires break out and he goes into a dive and crashes. After that kill i decided to grab some alt but got bounced by a 109, after a min or so i manage to get on his 6. Several shots at him later (i couldn't hit the SOB) i plaster his canopy and he goes into a gentle turning dive and crashes. On my way home there was a 109 buzzing our airfield, i got a lovely shot at his belly and he promptly went up in flames and crashed.

On landing i see this-

Plane damaged kills
109 2 0
110 1 0
ju87 1 0

I'm so pissed off!:mad: It's like trying to win the lottery getting kills awarded to you in that damn game. Do CRS actually have a system for awarding kills, Hardcase? Please tell me how it works because i haven't got a sodding clue.

Beegerite · « **Reply #79 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:12:26 AM »

I suspect it may the be the CRS "Advanced Bull toejam Kill Claims Negating System" which simulates the real life kill statistics systems used in WW2. It was necessary to confirm your kills through independent observers who verified what you said. Since you were flying alone without a wingman in total contradiction to what even the dumbest fighter pilot in the most backward airforce in the world knows, you fell victim to the "if a tree falls in the forest and there's nobody around, does it make a sound" syndrome.

Seriously though, It pisses me off too and I've absolutely never had a streak like you describe in over 4 months. Maybe in spite of what it looked like to you, somebody else already put some lead in their ass? The thing that sucks the most is that you don't get "any" rank earning credit for damaging aircraft. Only kills will give you a mission success. The upside though is that this more closely replicates the real world hours of boredom punctuated by moments of sheer terror world of the ww2 aviator.

Beeg

P.S. They do have a system. I know cause I started as a private and I am now a Hauptmann in the LH. Progress is slow and deliberate and for those willing to be patient rewarding. One big drawback I find is that other than having advanced mission posting capabilities rank doesn't show to other players. Considering what I learned that it's hard to come by, I would be more willing to follow someone of higher rank because in ww2ol it's truly a badge of experience.

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Originally posted by thrila
Fired up ww2ol tonight- took a spit to lokeren East of Gent (well it began with L anyway). Saw a lone ju87 dived on him gave him a little burst that set him on fire, he went into a scissors i gave him another burst, he rolled onto his back and dived into the ground. I spot a damaged 110 (leaking white stuff from his right engine) slowly creeping up on him I blast the crap outta him at point blank range, 2 fires break out and he goes into a dive and crashes. After that kill i decided to grab some alt but got bounced by a 109, after a min or so i manage to get on his 6. Several shots at him later (i couldn't hit the SOB) i plaster his canopy and he goes into a gentle turning dive and crashes. On my way home there was a 109 buzzing our airfield, i got a lovely shot at his belly and he promptly went up in flames and crashed.

On landing i see this-

Plane damaged kills
109 2 0
110 1 0
ju87 1 0

I'm so pissed off!:mad: It's like trying to win the lottery getting kills awarded to you in that damn game. Do CRS actually have a system for awarding kills, Hardcase? Please tell me how it works because i haven't got a sodding clue.

RafBader · « **Reply #80 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:48:50 AM »

Damnit Thrila that ju87 was ME!

By the way if it was I was already drilled by some ground fire over the FB. Beeg you would be better off killwise if you did'nt unload your entire arsenal from halfcourt.

And also fighterace has cowl flaps that are automatic with throttle movement. But does'nt help gameplay one bit in there.

RafBader

Hatch · « **Reply #81 on:** January 09, 2003, 01:43:02 AM »

Yep,

Nixed the problem with the flying torches and got that patch out today...

Working on some RPG stuff now with in-game rank and mission leader identifiers, medals, who and what killed you mission debriefing, etc...

Dont worry, Doc and I pester them regularly about finishing the FM, the missing damage components, and the object biasing on a regular basis... I dont like waiting for it either, but hopefully not too much longer...

As it is, like some of the others above, I too miss my Corsair and P-38 while flying WWIIOL, but for me as well, the immersion and actually having an effect on the ground war (heck, even having a live ground war to effect) more than makes up for it in my case. But as always, to each their own..

We hired kfsone a couple weeks ago and dragged him here to Dallas from jolly old England... He is really helping to shorten the dev time needed for host interaction stuff already. Its been a hell of a job for one man.

Its a long list, but as always, we will keep on keepin on...

BTW, 1200 participants in our first event last month. And that was after losing a bunch of folks while we got the server ironed out in the first hour... Running it again Feb 1 with some more planning time for the Allied and Axis teams, and a practice sometime the week before... Registration opened today.

Good to see some of the old timer names here. Starting to see more and more of them over in our neck of the woods too.

Anyway, All due respect when I say this...

Hope to someday get a chance to turn each and every one of you into a smoking lawndart just like in the old AW and WB days..;D

Check Six!

Hatch
P.S. I hope you all had a great holiday season and hope you have a great 2003 as well.

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #82 on:** January 09, 2003, 02:38:46 AM »

Seems strange that a dev from a direct competitor of AH posts on these boards, but doesn't allow non-subscriber posting on his own. Am I the only one who sees an inconsistency there?

Creamo · « **Reply #83 on:** January 09, 2003, 02:45:05 AM »

Hmmm...

Hatch said…( and Im guessing you work for wwiiol, never heard of you here)

BTW, 1200 participants in our first event last month. And that was after losing a bunch of folks while we got the server ironed out in the first hour... Running it again Feb 1 with some more planning time for the Allied and Axis teams, and a practice sometime the week before... Registration opened today.

Followed by ..

I hope you all had a great holiday season and hope you have a great 2003 as well

Interesting Hatch.

Facetious is one thing, but posting that commercial in the veil of a viable post for the AH BBS community audience is a clearly shameless promotion of wwiiol and it’s latest patch. Fine if it’s the case, just explain the patch and say so. Why post like your talking down to a bunch of fools?

To make a stab and then ‘wish a great holiday season’ this late, like it adds anything to the AH conversation, is pitiful. If not embarrassing.

And what prompted this ridiculous dig- “ Good to see some of the old timer names here. Starting to see more and more of them over in our neck of the woods too.

Tardcase is a free tech support WWIIOL minion as I see it here which is welcome. He is well informmed, and certainly dedicated considering the small crowd that cares, but his intent is good for your game.

Why did you Hatch show up as completely useless and embarrassing poster for the rats? Or is the rats run by tools like you, easily fingered by the even the least savvy players that read into your piss poor transparent bbs posts?

Dowding (Work) · « **Reply #84 on:** January 09, 2003, 09:22:17 AM »

I would guess HTC is pretty secure about their product, and probably isn't bothered.

But I think we should start advertising AH scenarios on the WW2OL BBS, anyway.

Oh, yeah, wait a minute we can't.

Hatch · « **Reply #85 on:** January 09, 2003, 11:11:08 AM »

Whatever...

I was flying alongside Hitech, Killer, Gunjam, Pyro, Caligula, etc long before there was a Warbirds, Aces High, or a WWIIOL. Many people have our roots in other sims and friends that fly any of the above or more than one. Just because I work on one game doesnt mean its the only one I play, read, or care about.

That was the spirit in which I posted.

It was simply to let others know that some of the issues regarding a game "I" happen to have info about, previously mentioned in this OFF-TOPIC thread, had been addressed or were being worked on...

Simple as that. No conspiracies, no black helicopters...

If HT, Pyro, or anybody else wants me to never post here again... lol!, no sweat, I am sure they will tell me and I will be happy to abide by their wishes. Hehe check my register date, I have been a member here for years, and I have only 3 posts, some forum abuse huh?!?!.

Just to set the record straight, nobody cares "who" talks about "whatever" sim over on the WWIOL forums, you just have to have a subscription to do so.

Hell, if they dont have em already, I'll be more than happy to set up WWIIOL accounts for the old WB guys: HT, Pyro, Natedog, Monkey, etc so they can do with them or say whatever they want.

Whats to be afraid of?

Man, JMHO, but it seems that some of you folks have a serious complex or something. Laxatives anyone?

I have had a WB account that I have kept open since '99 that I am cancelling. I was thinking of opening one here after doing so to get some late war ride fun in now and again. Not to mention how fun it will be to repeatedly spank these the guys copping the attitudes over and over again. More entertaining than the laughs they give me slamming anyone and anything they can in these forums.

Cya on the flip side...

Lance · « **Reply #86 on:** January 09, 2003, 11:28:41 AM »

These posts are simply the bbs equivalent of telemarketing.

"Hello."

"Hello, sir, this Sharonda from MCI, how are you doing today?"

"Not the least bit interested."

*click*

Oh, except that telemarketers get paid for such a crappy job;>

Kieran · « **Reply #87 on:** January 09, 2003, 11:35:34 AM »

Now Hatch...

A. Not really a matter of whether anyone posts about AH over there or not... it's a matter of who can. You have a bully pulpit over there, and you know it.

B. Even then it's not a matter of who can post about AH over there as what possible motivation would one have for doing so to the extent WWIIOL has been extolled here? What has happened here and at AGW has gone far beyond an occasional heads-up. There has been a heavy-handed effort to stifle negative opinions. That much should be obvious.

C. So you can beat up on some virtual aces... so? Does this make you right? That's pretty schoolyard.

As much as I like Il-2 and AH I won't be seen on the WWIIOL boards spamming the forums with the proselytizing we've seen here. It's bad taste and against common sense. I also think it would be pretty stupid to go to your BBS and convince people that AH doesn't suck if they think it does. Watch HC pop a cork over here if someone says "WWIIOL Sux".

I don't know about your history with HT and Pyro beyond what has been posted on various BBSs during the years, so I won't pretend to know how you all get along. I do know I have not seen Pyro and HT posting on your BBS, and I think that is professional and good judgement. YMMV.

lazs2 · « **Reply #88 on:** January 09, 2003, 11:36:19 AM »

but hatch... didn't you guys hire that fat little aussie, no nothing drunk? How smart can you be? How realistic can a sim be with him in it?
lazs

hardcase · « **Reply #89 on:** January 09, 2003, 12:08:17 PM »

Ode..everything is bloated when you run a p600:D

HC

Little children trying to be territorial. BTW, there are quite a few ppl here who fly both ww2 and ah and they can post anything anytime, why they don't should be addressed to them. You got a scenario coming up, post it here and I will copy/paste it to our Forums.

that little aussie has written a couple of books on Butcherbirds etc and can probably hand you your hat in any dogfight. He builds the terrain, cities etc for one thing and they are gorgeous.

No one can stifle negative opinions here, not ever mine. Some of those negative opinions come from some lack in the setup or not being able to find ppl and fights online. I point out the things that might help. When someone says "it sucks cause I had to run 30 mins to find a fight and it was over when it got there", then a simple tuning of the radio and some tips on finding fights might make someone have a fun time and change their opinions. Would you have me totally ignore someones misconptions. You don't hear me telling someone that are full of crap, even when they are and I know it. You don't like it..say so...when you give reasons and they are not basic to the program, then I will offer suggestions.

HC