Author Topic: $3/gallon (Read 1029 times)

SOB · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2003, 05:53:26 PM »

Hawk, you're being an idiot. If you want a sensible argument, make a sensible statement. You babbled like an idiot, and I responded in kind.

SOB

senna · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2003, 05:53:26 PM »

Electric cars are gonna make lawsuite lawyers rich with all the grandma wiplash cases thet they will get.

MrLars · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2003, 06:04:28 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
That's good coz the average US citizen uses ignorantly 4X more energy than the european citizen.

Be careful what you praise. The effects of our tanked economy along with a fuel shortage affects not only our economy but our international trade and imports as well.

hawk220 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2003, 06:32:28 PM »

ya SOB, you could be right..

ok.. I'll try and refine it a bit.

I think people are so unwilling to change or think of anything different than 'what is right now'. Caveman has a dilemma with a whole army to drive around, but as it is right now he really doesn't have a choice. I see that. I'm saying that we need to MAKE the choices, humans are pretty bright creatures. for whatever reason, many if not most folks are unwilling to see what damage their gas guzzlers are doing. nearly forever, we in the US have had dirt cheap gas. remember going on Sunday drives when we were little? .25 a gallon gas and the family Buick. those days are over but we still hang on to them , perhaps for a sense of comfort, who knows. I think that the price of fuel skyrocketing is a way to snap people out of that and with it, the cars we drive that are ineffecient. if it takes 4 bucks a gallon to help wean us from the Saudi teat, then thats ok with me. I would hope that that would lead to big cars and vans that Caveman could ferry his troop around without sucking down the juice.

Stringer · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2003, 07:18:38 PM »

lazs2 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2003, 08:46:36 AM »

hawk... or can I call you PH (pidgeon hole) for short? My '69 elky does not "smoke" unless you count the occassional set of rear tires.
lazs

Sikboy · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2003, 08:53:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Martlet
I just saw on CBS news a gas station that had premium at $4.29.

Regular was well over $3.00.

lol, you can get those prices in Needles California almost any time

Always fill up in Barstow man...

-Sik

JBA · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2003, 08:59:57 AM »

A third of the gas prices are taxes. If Gray-out Davis really wanted to help he would drop the taxes for a period of time.

Secondly the environmental wackos have forced the gas companies to refine over 100 blends of fuel, at four different grades. The blends can't be shipped out side of the regions it was blended for. i.e. Northeast gas can't be shipped to southwest when there is a shortage.
And speaking of shortages, the mutiblend theory prevents a refinery from switching from one blend to another quickly, they have to flush the lines and clean the refinery before mixing another blend. This is way you have prolonged shortages, But it dose allow for the politicians to get face time.

And finally why aren’t the Environmental wackos jumping up in down for joy over this. This is what the always wanted?

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2003, 11:25:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
lol, you can get those prices in Needles California almost any time Always fill up in Barstow man...

-Sik

or drive the 5 miles over the river to Az. and pay 50 cents less.

hawk220 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2003, 01:04:32 PM »

Laz, what kind of gas mileage does your elCamino get? in the 30s? I'll bet that even in perfect tune, clean filters, and perfect tires its a struggle to get 18mpg maybe, 20. Thats a complete waste of 2 dollar a gallon gas. yes, its a groovin car, yes, it can burn up a 1/4 mile in 5 seconds. but what I was saying is that times have certainly changed. the 70's are way over. If we are ever going to kick the addiction of Mid-East oil, we need to change our mindset on getting around. dinosaurs like 70's and 80's cars are part of the problem, regardless of how attached you are to them, and how cool they are. don't get me wrong, I love American cars. I had a rockin 82 Trans Am turbo, but I could stomp on it and watch the gas guage go down.

bottom line for me, is that I'd love to see America tell the Mid East to Screw off with their oil cause we have alternative means of getting around. Fuel Cell, Hybrids and the like. it would take a quantum leap of mindset to get us out of our guzzlers, but if any country can do it, the US can.

Mini D · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2003, 01:08:49 PM »

Supreme at the Chevron down the street is $2.04/Gallon. Its one of the cheaper prices I've seen in town.

MiniD

Kanth · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2003, 01:26:09 PM »

dental equipment doesn't just run itself yannow

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
That's good coz the average US citizen uses ignorantly 4X more energy than the european citizen.

lazs2 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 13, 2003, 02:45:56 PM »

hawk... quite a change from "gas guzzlers and POS hulks" eh?

My car get's about 10 mpg average.. so far as energy... I probly do more for energy savings than most... I am in charge of a facility that has record low energy usage... worrying about a few hot rods is silliness. If there is a problem it won't be solved by a few hot rodders becomeing a little more fuel concious.

We won't fix anything till there is a crisis. or one is apparent. I am bringing us a little closer to a solution every time I open up the secondaries and chirp the tires on the freeway.

Still... it is very PC of you to chastise people who are behaving legally. Thank you for your input... now, please get out of the way.
lazs

hawk220 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2003, 04:51:29 PM »

Laz

quite a change from "gas guzzlers and POS hulks" eh?

what does that mean?, what's the difference?

We won't fix anything till there is a crisis.

you don't think there is a crisis now? how bad does it have to get for you to change your mindset?

it is very PC of you to chastise people who are behaving legally

it has nothing to do with behaving legally, smoking is legal, eating fast food all day long is legal, putting a loaded gun to your head and teasing the trigger is legal , slavery was legal and beating your wife for talking toejam is STILL legal in parts of the world. it doesn't make it right. and if you would stop being such a brick you would admit it too.

I know that if there were sweeping laws that took your muscle car away you would freak and take to the street in protest as it would not just be a property issue, but an affront to how you express your self. you need a big loud squeely car probably with Iron Maiden blasting away to show the world how bad-assed you are. and thats fine. we all have crutches.

loser · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2003, 05:22:15 PM »

wow hawk, good thing i read all of your posts or my reply wouldnt have been ultra-ignorant.

I guess people like lazs and I just have different interests than you.

As a person who has a keen interest in what you call gas gullers and POS hulks, I have to disagree with you. Owning a muscle or classic car, in a way, defines who you are (to an extent.) I have made more friends than I can count based on a common interest in restoring and maintain cars. Call it a "subculture" if you will.

Growing up i spent countless hours at a friend's house working on our cars, tossing back some brews and shooting the toejam. If it wasnt for our shared interest in cars i guarantee we wouldnt be friends. We all went to different schools, lived in different parts of town etc.... Hell i even remember giving a speech in high school about smog laws trying to kill my "hobby." Guys in class that i REALLY didnt get along with suddenly became close friends because of the shared interest.

And as far as your point about if laws were changed that folks like me would take to the street? Damned rights. I would be at the front of the line.

Think of it this way. You play a game based on things that happened 50 plus years ago. Why? A feeling of nostalgia for machinery of days gone by. The same goes for cars. While i recognize that AH doesnt contribute to any effect on the environment, a similiar sub-culture exists so you may understand where i'm coming from. A group of people interested in what is now defunct technology, but a technology that still has a certain appeal to the very few.

just my 2 cents.