US woman killed protesting in Gaza

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by GScholz
Tell me again how the driver didn't see her?

As I stated elsewhere in this thread (right above), those photos were taken from a PLA handout, and posted on palsolidarity.org. Try getting your information from a NEWS agency as opposed to a website with an AGENDA to promote.

Also take a look at what I posted about several things being wrong with the photos.

Nevermind the fact that if there was a camera being used to take pictures before and after, why are there no pictures of the incident itself? Because I doubt there are any pictures that support their version of what happened.

I would condem a verified incident of an IDF soldier intentionally killing an innocent person. However, to expect the IDF to expose their soldiers to a possible attack because some misinformed individual is attempting to stop them from carrying out their orders is a little stupid.

[MwXX]

nevermind...

[Martlet]

My mother taught me not to lie down in front of heavy equipment.  Blame her parents.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Originally posted by GScholz
http://www.vg.no/pub/vgart.hbs?artid=50670

VG is Norways largest ... or second largest newspaper.

Foto: REUTERS

Yes, but the problem is that unfortunately BOTH got the photos and the story from the aforementioned PLA handout. Unusually poor reporting on the part of Reuters, usually quite reliable. Regarding the Norwegian newspaper I have no previous experience with it. Nonetheless, the ORIGINAL account and photos they are using/quoting came first in the PLA handout, and then from palsolidarity.org (which gave credit for the photos and account to the PLA handout), not from a reliable news source. Again, poor reporting. Just goes to show that even Reuters can be guilty of bad journalism. Even in high school journalism class they teach you not to get all your information from one side with an agenda. One of the first rules of journalism.

[GRUNHERZ]

Thats what i have arguning the whole day gscholz. From the first written reports I read of this incident it has been made clear that she was on the ground before the dozer hit her. I have seen these israeli combat dozers before and know what limited visbility they had and that combined with the fact that now we know she was on the ground, tripped or worse deliberately sitting down, I had a strong suspicion it was likely an accident where the driver simply lost sight of her.

It didnt help that the palestenian PLO propaganda pictures given to us clumsily tried to make it seem that she was standing up and visible to the driver all the time which contradicted all written reports.

Glad to see you have escaped their propaganda trap gscholz. How bout you go talk to dowding now?

[Frogm4n]

an unarmed american citizen is murdered in another country and all you people can do is say "good riddens"? half of you must be born agains and the other half must be complete and utter b@stards.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Frogm4n
an unarmed american citizen is murdered in another country and all you people can do is say "good riddens"? half of you must be born agains and the other half must be complete and utter b@stards.

When I was in high school, one of my friends ran over and killed an old lady standing in the road.  It wasn't murder.  It wasn't any crime at all.

This girl CHOSE to lay down in front of a bull dozer.  IN FRONT OF A FREAKING BULLDOZER!

[Frogm4n]

okay, the driver knew she was there. last time i checked that is murder and not an accident. if this turns out it be such a thing(i doubt it will get a proper investigation) then it wont bother me as much.

[Martlet]

Before I spout off, are there penalties for laying in front of a bulldozer?  I mean besides getting squashed.

First, I'm not the least bit sympathetic for anyone that does that, but could she have been hauled off and jailed?  She was doing it out of free will.  

If there aren't, there should be.

[kbman]

I generally try to remember that you aren't actually the heartless, mindless miserable excuses for human beings that some of you enjoy portraying on this BBS. Most days I am actually successfull...


kbman

[Tuomio]

Lets investigate:

Woman lays in front of military vehicle, which is doing military operation in warzone. Women dies.

Conclusion, she committed suicide, plain and simple.


Please tell me any, ANY real world alternative how to NOT run over a "protestor" in such situation? Aborting mission? Do you normally abort military missions in such "I want my opinion forced" situations?

[Vulcan]

I don't understand this part of the statement:
"When the bulldozer refused to stop or turn aside she climbed up onto the mound of dirt and rubble being gathered in front of it wearing a fluorescent jacket to look directly at the driver who kept on advancing.  The bulldozer continued to advance so that she was pulled under the pile of dirt and rubble.  After she had disappeared from view the driver kept advancing until the bulldozer was completely on top of her.  The driver did not lift the bulldozer blade and so she was crushed beneath it.  Then the driver backed up - effectively running over her again.  The seven other ISM activists taking part in the action rushed to dig out her body.  An ambulance rushed her to Al-Najar Hospital  where she died"

If she was on a mound of dirt and the blade was not lifted, wouldn't she be rolled forward or fall over the blade. And from where shes standing in the photos looks like shes off the left of the dozer. My guess is she was out of the way, the dozer moved the earth, she lost her footing a slipped under and the driver missed it.

Next time your at a building site look at the warning signs, then think of what she did. She played with fire and got burn't. Darwin kicks arse again.

[Sixpence]

She was brave enough to travel to a far away land and put aside all fear to stand up for what she thought was right, and she paid the price.

I may not agree with her political views, but at least she went there and tried to make a difference. And that's alot more than alot of us can say.

I'll say this, if there is a God, she is in good standing. May she rest in peace.

[air_guard]

you hartless monsters
she did not had to die cause of a other opinion she had, and shes prolly somones daughter aswell.
Cant be that hard to move 1 single demonstrant outta the way, but guess its easyer to run them over with a bulldozer.

I dont care if she was a leftwing fanatic or right wing for that sake, it is not a solution to kill them like that.

darwinism my ass, straight forward murder it was.
and when some of you say thats ok I get scared of the easy way of thinking some have.

is this ok :

Edit :    "picture removed "

[Martlet]

Originally posted by air_guard
and shes prolly somones daughter aswell.

Well, I'll have to concede that point.