Bf-109G-2 enabaled ?

[Slash27]

No guilt here. Ill be in a Spit, and be getting killed by Eagler. SOmebody come up with the " No squeaking, everyone is happy, even Steven" setup please.

[Kweassa]

That massive difference in weapon effectiveness--both range AND punch--is what throws off the balance of this matchup. It's a shame that there isn't a way to somehow equalize the differences in weapons. Perhaps AH2 won't model them so drastically different.

 Interestingly, IL2: Forgotten battles also has a Hurricane IIC with 4x Hisp. MkII cannons.. I've noticed Hizookas are Hizookas anywhere be it AH or IL2

 Probably the only cannon in IL-2:FB where you can spray like as in AH, and expect a kill at over 300 meters.(I remember firing 8 rounds and knocking out a 109E-4 at 540 meters, in FB )

[Eagler]

its the pilot AND the plane

though I am ok in the 109, I stink up the place in just about every other airplane... so its both

[lazs2]

so you have to give people a huge advantage or they won't fly LW?

people who like "historical" euro planesets are sick of spits?

The 109f is a perfect match for the spit v but allmost every LW guy was B & Z ing in G2's?

that's what I got out of the experiance...

guess 109 and spit scenarios don't work... I sure didn't have any fun... was either fighting over scraps or totally gangbanged by B & Z 109's ... this is the first 109 vs spit ct I have tried and it sucked.

The finn russ one was fun... the zeke p40/f4f one was fun... this one was crap.   put planes that have to engage against planes that die if they engage and you have an unfun mess.

I will be avoiding the euro sets.
lazs

[Shane]

Originally posted by lazs2

I will be avoiding the euro sets.
lazs

109g2 was in the area during this time frame.  they left it out at first trying to head off allied whineage...

enjoy pizza.

[DiabloTX]

ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!  Make it pepperoni!!!!

[HFMudd]

was either fighting over scraps or totally gangbanged by B & Z 109's

"Fighting over scraps..."  Hmmm, if I understand you correctly I can rephrase this as "was either gangbanging or being gangbanged."

Still, I logged in a couple times this week with even numbers.  In both cases I logged back off within about an hour when the Allied numbers went up to 2x the Axis numbers.

[Grissom]

Originally posted by 214thCavalier
Strapping gondolas onto a 109 is a great equaliser in the firepower department.

But I don't use gondolas, so what is my excuse in the G2?  

Cavalear: Nice fight we had 'till the Spit showed up and chased me off.  I thought we were pretty evenly matched (P-40 v 109G2) as long as you didn't turn fight, and I didn't compress chasing you.

[214thCavalier]

Yea was fun but thats the way it goes, whenever its a good fight a spit arrives to spoil it
Although i was still gagging over the fact that i was unexpectedly finding myself fighting a G2 and thinking AAARGH why has this been enabled !
If memory serves me we both escaped with various holes in bodywork as spit forced you to disengage.

Oh and i am in the camp that thinks the 109-F was more than capable vs the spits.

[lazs2]

yep... gangbang or be gangbanged... with the g2 you better have a 2/1 allied superiority or you end up with high utouchable swarms of g2's over the base..   I am not surprised that shane approves of an untouchable fast plane in an otherwise even set tho.
lazs

[Shane]

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... gangbang or be gangbanged... with the g2 you better have a 2/1 allied superiority or you end up with high utouchable swarms of g2's over the base..   I am not surprised that shane approves of an untouchable fast plane in an otherwise even set tho.
lazs

let me type this real slow-like.

109g2's.... were.... in... the... area.... extensively.....

here's another free clue for ya, tardlet: i always fly the outnumbered side.  read that again. you get it yet?

do *you* ever fly anything other than allied in CT? in those rare times you deign to fly CT at all?

this is the CT not the DA, or so i've been repeatedly told.

don't see why the axis are always dealing with the handicaps of

a) earlier  axis versions in a later dated setup
b) facing later allied versions stuck in an earlier dated setup.
c) gaping holes in the axis setups, particularly the pacific.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by lazs2

The 109f is a perfect match for the spit v but allmost every LW guy was B & Z ing in G2's?

lazs

Ever try flying the 109G-2 (or F or even E) against spit 5s?

Its a classic energy fighter Vs angles fighter match.  Go round and round in a 109, and you die.  Its much easier to get yourself into a bad situation in a 109 than it is in a spit.  

When you get into trouble in a spit, you just turn.  If you are good, you can time a turn and reverse on you attacker, but even a newbie can throw off a 109 attack by just clumbsily yanking the stick back anytime before the attacker shoots to kill.

In the 109, on the other hand, get a spit on your six and you are in much greater trouble.  If you are low and slow, you are as good as dead.  Sure, the 109s are a bit faster, the problem is staying alive while your machine accelerates from slow to top speed.  If you go straight, your an easy target, juke around too much and you will nerver get out of range of those long reaching hispanos.

So how do you keep alive in a 109?  Think ahead - boom and zoom.  Timing is critical.

eskimo

[DiabloTX]

This is a general observation but it seems to me that the Axis pilots tend to fly with their heads and the Allied pilots tend to do whatever.  This does not apply to everyone and certainly not to squads, well, not all of them, but as a newly converted Luftwhiner I find the fight to be more cerebral now and more rewarding.  Success or failure, it seems to be a matter of who can intellectually outwit the opponent.  I am going to say this again as to avoid miscommunication, THIS IS A GENERAL COMMENT AND NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS ANYONE.  Just a general observation.  

[Arlo]

Both planes are fun. I kill ... I get killed. Some pilots kill me repeatedly .... in either. Some only kill me occasionally ... in one or the other. Some I kill occasionally ... in one or the other.

sweety B!itch sweety. It's a tradition. So shoot me.

[ergRTC]

I think the problem here is that historical fights are not interesting.

I turn and burn (staying vertical as long as possible) in the 202.  

I die sure, but at least it works for a little while.

I boom and zoom in the 109s.  period.  Then i get slow and die.  period.

Spit vs?  I do both and kick bellybutton (although I am not flying them in this map).  then die.

Now the hurricane tears em apart.

I think this map is fine, I think the plane match up is great.  I dont see anything to complain about.  

You guys just want to have ww1 style fights with ww2 style planes.

If that is what you want, just wait till the next bob setup.  or a biplane to be included in ah.

Dont blame these pilots or planes.  They just dont play the same way.