Slaughter at the Bridge of Death

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Dowding
What has that got to do with anything?

Are you a supporter of the IRA, Martlet?

Now there's a question out of left-field to go with yours.

It was a legitimate question, in direct response to his statement.  Not out of left field at all.  Should I direct all the questions I have for him at you, or is he capable of answering some of them himself?

Please forward me the list of questions you are fielding for other people.

[blitz]

Originally posted by bounder
Up until the time groups in the US stopped providing financial support for terrorists killing people in the UK...

Bombing cities after organisations harboured within have stopped funding terrorism is beyond the pale, even for the UK.

I think the funding really tailed off araound 11.09.01 but had already been declining ever since the British Government sat down to negotiate a peace settlement with the terrorists.

US government never supported terrorists directly or indirectly, nowhere in the world. Ya should know that

US government hates all acts of terrorism, everyone knows.

They hunted those IRA supporter groups all that years- was impossible to get them. No way.

They even hunt down terrorist groups in foreign countries who sympathise with the US, hard to believe but true.


Regards Blitz

[Martlet]

Originally posted by blitz
US government never supported terrorists directly or indirectly, nowhere in the world. Ya should know that

US government hates all acts of terrorism, everyone knows.

They hunted those IRA supporter groups all that years- was impossible to get them. No way.


Regards Blitz

exactly

[Dowding]

Not the whole truth Blitz. Allowing Real IRA members free access to the US because the group (responsible for killing 38 men, women and children at Omagh) was not recognised as a terrorist group by the US government, wasn't exactly a sparkling idea. They could have done a lot more.

Martlet - you seem to be arguing that anywhere that terrorism resides, the government of that nation should be held responisble, no?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Dowding
Not the whole truth Blitz. Allowing Real IRA members free access to the US because the group (responsible for killing 38 men, women and children at Omagh) was not recognised as a terrorist group by the US government, wasn't exactly a sparkling idea. They could have done a lot more.

Martlet - you seem to be arguing that anywhere that terrorism resides, the government of that nation should be held responisble, no?

No, that wasn't my argument at all.

[bounder]

Originally posted by Martlet
I ask again, when did the UK ever have the chance to bomb Boston?

From a completely hypothetical viewpoint, the chance to bomb Boston is there now, and has been for some time, certainly during the 70s and 80s.

Vanguard, Victorious, Vigilant and Vengeance - one of which is presently cruising underwater somewhere....

Might be a bit difficult to smooth over diplomatically though...

Anyway, the UK made its peace with the terrorists (or should I say 'is trying to make...')

The peace dividend is good, and now only the drug dealing gang members hold on to the 'struggle' quite so hard as a reason for existing.

[Batz]

Euros alway try to mix their interests with the US's then they get an attitude when they see something in the real world that proves them wrong.

The US is against terrorism and state sponsored terrorism that threatens the interest of the US. I know its hard concept for the rest of the world to comprehend but thats how it is. Its not the US's responsibility to protect the world from itself. We do have an interest in building relationships and alliances with those who share some similiar interests or taking a particular interest if it helps us in other areas.

The IRA is and never was a threat to the US. Its the responsibility of your government and your electorate to pursue your Nation interests as you see fit. If the UK Government thought it was in their interests to bomb Boston or New York then why didnt they? Because it wasnt.

The US federal government isnt the worlds government. We are a sovereign nation. Our federal government is charged with the specific responsibility of protecting our interests. Theres a reason we spend so much on defense and why we have pushed for the "world economy". By enaging economically with various nations we created a dependency that helps reduce political tension. Thats why we keep most favored nation status for China. To those we cant entice economically we keep a technically superior and large armed force.

Its the responsibility of every other Nations governments to protect their interests. If your government can not do that then it has failed you.

This is why smaller insignificant Nations rely so heavily on the UN. The US doesnt need the UN and slowly but surely it needs Nato less and less. Our economy in the way its structured ensures that it will be almost impossible to isolate us. To many nations rely on our market to sell their goods. No Nation or group of Nations can afford to enter an arm race with the US. This is the position the US has created for itself.

[blitz]

Originally posted by Dowding
Not the whole truth Blitz. Allowing Real IRA members free access to the US because the group (responsible for killing 38 men, women and children at Omagh) was not recognised as a terrorist group by the US government, wasn't exactly a sparkling idea. They could have done a lot more.

Martlet - you seem to be arguing that anywhere that terrorism resides, the government of that nation should be held responisble, no?

Dowding,sorry, was deep, deep sarkasm

Iran -> to help Schah Reza Pachlewi to get in place

Cuba-> to destabalize it

Nicaragua-> Iran -Contra Affair

El Salvador-> Todesschwadronen, Domino theory

many, many more.


1. A FREEDOM FIGHTER is a terrorist who support my interrests, he's the good guy helping his people, often by torture, ambush, bombin raids against civilians etc.

i.e. Taliban were FREEDOM FIGHTERS when fighting russian invasion, that's why we supported them.



2. A terrorist uses same methods as Nr. 1 but can never be a freedom fighter because he don't support my interests.



Regards Blitz

[Angus]

Wow, what a long thread.
Anyway, there is something Gscholz said:

"You may lay the blame anywhere you want AKIron, but the fact remains; the Iraqi people will not see you as liberators when you litter the landscape with dead civilians. Saddam and his bunch is forcing your hand ... and winning the "hearts and mind" war."

For a short while it may be like this, but not much beyond that.
A country may fight hopelessly, stupidly and bloodily beyond any sense, but once its over things change quickly.
 This war is so far not particularly corpse littered, and rather little compared to Saddam's total victims during his regime. People will also remember those.
Anyway, comparison left away, if the conclusion of a war means dictatorship and hardship pushed away, and the conquered country treated fairly by the victor (econoimical buildup etc), the blood of the innocent seems to get washed away fairly quickly. A good example: WW2.
Were British and US troops Particularly unpopular in Berlin or Munchen in the 50's? Did the Beatles suffer for their nationality in the 60's while playing in Hamburg? Are the Japanese plotting a revenge??? Naaaaaaaaaa

[blitz]

Originally posted by Angus
Wow, what a long thread.
Anyway, there is something Gscholz said:

"You may lay the blame anywhere you want AKIron, but the fact remains; the Iraqi people will not see you as liberators when you litter the landscape with dead civilians. Saddam and his bunch is forcing your hand ... and winning the "hearts and mind" war."

For a short while it may be like this, but not much beyond that.
A country may fight hopelessly, stupidly and bloodily beyond any sense, but once its over things change quickly.
 This war is so far not particularly corpse littered, and rather little compared to Saddam's total victims during his regime. People will also remember those.
Anyway, comparison left away, if the conclusion of a war means dictatorship and hardship pushed away, and the conquered country treated fairly by the victor (econoimical buildup etc), the blood of the innocent seems to get washed away fairly quickly. A good example: WW2.
Were British and US troops Particularly unpopular in Berlin or Munchen in the 50's? Did the Beatles suffer for their nationality in the 60's while playing in Hamburg? Are the Japanese plotting a revenge??? Naaaaaaaaaa

Ya can't it easily compare to WW2.

Don't forget Bush lost his propaganda war before the missels were lauched. 75% of the world were against this war.

He broke international laws.

Arabs have TV , too.


Regards Blitz

[Steve]

Blitz, we're the big kids on the block and can pretty much do whatever we want.  You and 75% if the world(your comments) can piss and moan... but in the end... you will just have to lay there and take it!!!!!!!!
That's the beauty of being us. Misinformed handsomehunkes like yourself can whine and cry, but that's all it is because you are completely impotent. What's that  like, having an opinion that doesn't mean a damned thing? Not to mention being completely upside down and wrong.
Have hope though Blitz, there may yet be another handsomehunk liberal in the white house, then the world can go to shiit for several years while morons like yourself think everything is fine.  Hopefully, after that, the next republican in the white house will have the same vision as Bush/Reagan and we can once again take on those that would destroy what is good in the world.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Steve
Blitz, we're the big kids on the block and can pretty much do whatever we want.  You and 75% if the world(your comments) can piss and moan... but in the end... you will just have to lay there and take it!!!!!!!!
That's the beauty of being us. Misinformed handsomehunkes like yourself can whine and cry, but that's all it is because you are completely impotent. What's that  like, having an opinion that doesn't mean a damned thing? Not to mention being completely upside down and wrong.
Have hope though Blitz, there may yet be another handsomehunk liberal in the white house, then the world can go to shiit for several years while morons like yourself think everything is fine.  Hopefully, after that, the next republican in the white house will have the same vision as Bush/Reagan and we can once again take on those that would destroy what is good in the world.

Now THAT  was my point.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Steve
Blitz, we're the big kids on the block and can pretty much do whatever we want.  You and 75% if the world(your comments) can piss and moan... but in the end... you will just have to lay there and take it!!!!!!!!
That's the beauty of being us. Misinformed handsomehunkes like yourself can whine and cry, but that's all it is because you are completely impotent. What's that  like, having an opinion that doesn't mean a damned thing? Not to mention being completely upside down and wrong.
Have hope though Blitz, there may yet be another handsomehunk liberal in the white house, then the world can go to shiit for several years while morons like yourself think everything is fine.  Hopefully, after that, the next republican in the white house will have the same vision as Bush/Reagan and we can once again take on those that would destroy what is good in the world.

And some people wonder why anyone would drive a passenger aircraft into one of our buildings.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
And some people wonder why anyone would drive a passenger aircraft into one of our buildings.

You are a complete moron.  Seriously.  None of your posts ever contain a rational thought.  I can only hope you are sterile, so your blood line stops with you.

[blitz]

Originally posted by Steve
Blitz, we're the big kids on the block and can pretty much do whatever we want.  You and 75% if the world(your comments) can piss and moan... but in the end... you will just have to lay there and take it!!!!!!!!
That's the beauty of being us. Misinformed handsomehunkes like yourself can whine and cry, but that's all it is because you are completely impotent. What's that  like, having an opinion that doesn't mean a damned thing? Not to mention being completely upside down and wrong.
Have hope though Blitz, there may yet be another handsomehunk liberal in the white house, then the world can go to shiit for several years while morons like yourself think everything is fine.  Hopefully, after that, the next republican in the white house will have the same vision as Bush/Reagan and we can once again take on those that would destroy what is good in the world.

At least i can tell people what I think about this bloody "Aggression War".

Not that much indeed but heh:  "Wenn morgen die Welt untergeht würde ich heute einen Afelbaum planzen "


Regards Blitz



America was threatened by Iraq in no way, it was just plain ridiculous- It's a classic bloody 'Aggression War'


When will this tough little country of Vietnam see that apology?

Americans and Vietnamese have something in common :

Their pride