Author Topic: Wow!, Bradley's knocking out T-72s?  (Read 4300 times)

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Wow!, Bradley's knocking out T-72s?
« on: April 07, 2003, 04:06:05 AM »
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Capt. Clay Lyle, commander of the Apache Troop, spoke with CNN late Friday about a major tank engagement as his crew rumbled along a highway west of Baghdad.

Despite being outnumbered, the U.S. group vanquished the Iraqi Republican Guard force within minutes, thanks to superior armed vehicles and devastatingly powerful ammunition.

"My commander called me, gave me the warning order to be prepared to conduct an attack on 22 stationary T-72s [Soviet-built tanks used by the Iraqis] that the [U.S.] Air Force had identified," Lyle said.

"I selected a force, tank heavy, almost all the tanks in my troop, with some Bradleys [armored fighting vehicles] to go with it."

After U.S. aircraft assailed some Iraqi tanks, Lyle's squad, despite encountering an additional battalion of hidden Iraqi tanks and being outnumbered two to one, lumbered up the six-lane highway with guns blazing, turrets swinging from side to side.

The T-72s were a formidable presence, dug in and well protected behind barriers, anywhere from a range of half-mile to a mile away.

"It's different from small-arms and RPGs [rocket-propelled-grenades.] That can be intense, but there is the relative safety of being in a tank," Lyle said. It is quite a different feeling when you are "staring down T-72s dug in, in fighting positions."

The fire fight was forceful but brief. It was "10 minutes of probably the most intense fighting," Lyle told Rodgers and CNN anchor Aaron Brown.

The main gun rounds from the Iraqi tanks, for the most part, fell short or flew too high, Lyle said.

But the U.S. cavalry squadron hit its marks, destroying an estimated 20 or more armored Iraqi adversaries, without the loss of a single U.S. vehicle.

U.S. Bradley fighting vehicles, despite being lighter, wiped out some of the Soviet-vintage T-72 tanks, a significant military milestone.

The secret for success? The Bradleys fired smaller shells, but they were of a particularly punishing variety made with depleted uranium, which pierced the armor of the heavier Iraqi vehicles.

"I had two Bradleys... One destroyed three T-72s and the other destroyed two," Lyle said.


Very interesting! Didnt know "light" armed Bradleys could knock out heavy tanks.
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2003, 04:08:42 AM »
You should probably post a link.  I reported this the other day, and Baroda thought the idea of such a thing was extremely funny.

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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2003, 04:12:27 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2003, 04:53:13 AM »
Hm, a 25mm depleted uranium shell destroying T-72's?

I find it somewhat odd that a T-72 can withstand a normal 120mm round from 1.5 km, yet be penetrated by a 25mm at maybe a third of that.

Maybe they hit 'um from the rear or something

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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2003, 05:08:40 AM »
Bradleys carry a nasty little sabot round, plus the TOW.  They are not built to get into a slugging match, but they can punch pretty hard.

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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2003, 05:11:12 AM »
I don't believe it.

T-72s take at least 4 TOWs from the Bradley in DesertCombat, and the 25mm cannon does nothing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2003, 05:19:10 AM »
I think the TOW could get a kill pretty easily on a T-72, but the 25 mm is not going to penetrate frontal armor.  But there are lots of things on a tank you can damage when you are hitting it with a high rate of fire weapon.

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2003, 05:39:03 AM »
Actually, I remember Spitfire MkVb easily knocking out Pzr's MkIV with Hispano 20mm shells during our Afrika Korp scenario as well.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2003, 06:08:15 AM »
The TOW has been improved since Desert Storm. It's not designed to penetrate from the front anymore. The new TOW2B is a fly-over design. It flies over the vehicle, then shoots down into the light armor on the top of the target.

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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2003, 06:13:42 AM »
The iraqi news agencies probably reported that the T-72's suffered minor scuffs and several coalition vehicles were destroyed..

You can't trust the media during wartime. Might aswell listen to bed-time stories.

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2003, 07:11:51 AM »
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The iraqi news agencies probably reported that the T-72's suffered minor scuffs and several coalition vehicles were destroyed..

You can't trust the media during wartime. Might aswell listen to bed-time stories.


is this the same iraqi news agency which states we are not in Bag-a-daddy ?

our media is bad enough, to compare it to sa-dummies propaganda machine is over the top .........
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2003, 07:32:19 AM »
Americas Army is in no way threatened by iraqs theirs is just rediculous!


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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2003, 07:48:34 AM »
They reported tank kills by Bradleys in the first Gulf War. This is "old news".
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2003, 07:57:24 AM »
A 30mm depleted uranium bullet is said to be able to penetrate 12" of hardened steel.  I dont imaging a 25mm shell is too far behind that.

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 08:06:56 AM »
25 mm is not going to penetrate frontal armor.  But there are lots of things on a tank you can damage when you are hitting it with a high rate of fire weapon. [/QUOTE]

Not to mention the over pressure and spalding effect swhich will be compunded by the high rate of fire. The effectiveness of sabot rounds is measured by the kinetic energy involved. The speed of the round makes a significantly bigger difference to the killing ability than the mass.