In case you misunderstood what Duckwing6 was saying...
Every time B-17's have been sent to hit a target in one of these scenarios, 109's and 190's have hit them deep in Allied territory from an alt advantage (that in itself is an historical no-no). No B-17 has survived any mission I ever flew in a scenario, much less bombed the target. You want to talk suicide run?
RAM, you have been in on the raids. You know each and every one has been a LW field day. I can't believe you guys really think you aren't going to have a chance... what I would think is you guys might enjoy a challenge for a change...
If you want to see what I mean, try flying a B-17 this time around. They are a little tougher now (it seems), and some of them might even get through. The fact is, if the 109's are determined to get them, they can avoid the P-47's long enough to get the job done.
Honestly, I don't want to sound like I'm ant-LW or anything, but you guys are starting to take a sour tone on this scenario. There is no way we can totally recreate history on this one, and even if we could, it wouldn't be fun for everyone. As this is a game, some balance has to be considered (meaning, both sides have to have a reasonable chance to win). Having the LW hit the incoming raid
again deep in Allied territory
and with alt advantage guarantees another LW field day.
To date, there have been probably a dozen or so scenarios run that I know of. Only two had any Allied bombers even cross over the target area. Does that sound like the history we know?
By all means, come, and have a good time. You may have to squint at the details some. The purpose of the Snapshots is to create a semi-historical situation where the results of the events are balanced more on player performance than overwhelming odds. Believe it or not, the lack of the 190 may very well be in response to the overwhelming thumping the bombers have received. (I guess this is where the thread gets pirated).
Finally, yes, there is an agenda, but it isn't hidden. We want both sides to have
fun. If I had flown LW in all the previous scenarios, I would be elated. I haven't- you know why? No one really wants to up in a B-17 when they know for certain they are about to be slaughtered. Many of us have filled the low side, because that is where the need is. We cannot force people to sign on to a guaranteed death. To date, we have been fortunate enough to find people willing to fill the role so the scenarios can happen. How much longer do you expect these people to be "good soldiers" and sortie their suicide missions?
