Author Topic: Hell, I'll bet this guy has gotta be black.... (Read 3465 times)

Lance · « **Reply #60 on:** May 12, 2003, 10:33:21 AM »

Grun, what in that article supports your notion that this guy got promoted and was tolerated because of AA?

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #61 on:** May 12, 2003, 10:47:03 AM »

It was a sarcastic hunch Lance. Look as I read the article it just didnt add up on one hand he was being a terrible reporter and then was getting promoted left and right. So I just sracastically though hell he must be black or something and there was an AA angle in this. And surely enought two paragraphs down they mention he is black and was part of an AA outreach program. It was a hunch, a guess an opinion. And frankly it's still open to debate and I am surely not the only person raising the issue - many in the media have questioned this acse just in the same way.

And I plainly said I also read other articles after this one that gave me more supporting info. I posted a link to one journalism site that mention him being used as ane example of the times successful AA program. Here is the page.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2082661/#blair

The only thing that really bothers me about the angry responses is that some of you are coming from the angle that I dont think that blacks can be good reporters or that good qualified black reporters can suceed on their own merit. Frankly for one I hvae no idea whewre you got that from my posts - my criticizm was always with the newspaper and what I thjought was likely a case of overzelous AA gone wrong and maybe that they went easy on him because he seemed to be a promising young black journalist at a time when they were touting their diversity program.

I know it must be easy to just call me a racist and be done with it - but thats simply not the case.

Mini D · « **Reply #62 on:** May 12, 2003, 10:53:33 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Its not racist to think think its possible that an overzelous AA program was at fault.

It simply comes down to that.

It comes down to that....

Hmmm.... interesting choice of words.

It sure as hell didn't start out as that. Along your road to discovery, my bigotted friend, you made a few mistakes. The title of this thread definately being one of them.

I have no doubt that you believe an overzelous AA program is the cause of this problem. Your downfall was letting slip as to why.

Not really much more to say to you grun. You go on thinking that AA causes these situations. I'll go on saying that the media's greed for stories the public will like has long since skewed their perspective on truth and its importance.

The media needs a skapegoat for shoddy editing and pandering to popular oppinion. You're more than happy to support their choice. Wew... good thing it was a black guy... made making him a villian that much easier.

MiniD

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #63 on:** May 12, 2003, 10:54:46 AM »

But was my assuming he was black what makes you think I'm racist?

Steve · « **Reply #64 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:13:39 AM »

AA is a racist program. it's that farging simple.
The title to this thread may have hurt the overly wound up feelings of some people but that's their problem. These kinds of people are perfectly willing to discuss race when doing so furthers their agenda but when someone brings it to the table as an argument that they do not agree with those same people cry assinine things like" Bigot" or ""Racist".

One day you hypocritical love muffines will be exposed as the true racists and maybe....just maybe we can get to work on genuinie race relations.

miniD, in case you're not clear, I'm talking to you.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #65 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:21:49 AM »

Stephen Glass looks mighty white to me.

If anything, this episode reveals a systemic problem with editorial fact checking and giving the benefit of the doubt to questionable stories that sell papers. Is it surprising that one of the many publications he snookered was The New York Times Magazine?

-- Todd/Leviathn

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #66 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:38:02 AM »

DMF you are right - that was a big problem but he was caught lying and in error dozens and dozens of times over his brief carrer. I'm not sure of the other cases of journalistic forgery like Glass, but I am sure in the case of Jayson Blair that people knew he was lying. I think it was an article on the NYT website that said something about him lying about a 911 related story - he was asked to cover 911 but then lied that one of his relatives died at WTC, when the newspaper checked up on the family of the "relative" they said they never heard of Jayson Blair. And then there is the history of countless corrections to his articles only matched by one promotion afther another. I'll tell you the AA angle is playing a big part here - thats was my inital hunch and I'm pretty confident that as more comes out that thsis will be the case. If not then I'll be wrong and that will be that..

Dune · « **Reply #67 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:39:49 AM »

I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

Lance · « **Reply #68 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:40:51 AM »

And the wellspring for your "sarcastic hunch" that this must involve a black man and AA is? Left with no evidence in that story that race or AA played any part, I am left wondering what is inside of you that would lead you to this conclusion.

Call it a hunch that you are a racist;)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #69 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:41:18 AM »

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Originally posted by Dune
I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

And the color of their skin when it comes to affirimative action...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #70 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:46:16 AM »

Lance its obviously stated in the CNN article that he was in an AA action program.

Its obviously stated iin other articles that I linked to that he was used as a PR stunt as proof of the AA action programs sucess even while he was putting in substandard performance.

Those are FACTS.

Basicakky all your "racist" name calling restys on thew fact that i criticized a possible case of overzelous AA. And if you try to say it was because I assumed he was black - then thats the largely the same thing because how could think AA was involved unless some minorty person was involved?

Arfann · « **Reply #71 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:49:01 AM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
But was my assuming he was black what makes you think I'm racist?

Your assuming he was black doesn't make me think you're a racist. It lets me know that you're a racist.

Maniac · « **Reply #72 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:53:18 AM »

Hes been spouting his racist crap for years on here...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #73 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:56:55 AM »

Arfann do you think that I assumed he was black based on his poor job performance?

If thats what people are assuming then I can understand why yoiu all think I'm a racist.

But that is not what I was saying. I thought he might have been black and part of an AA program because his poor performance was often swept under the rug for PR purposes of the AA program. And now we know that he was iused as an examply by NYT executives of AA sucess even as his performance was quite poor. You see that my criticizm was always with the his employers not him. In my first post I palinly wrote somehing like "This is the kind of stuff that gives outreach programs a bad name"

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #74 on:** May 12, 2003, 11:57:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Maniac
Hes been spouting his racist crap for years on here...

Like what? Find some posts.... I'm actually curious what you guys will find...