Foul Language in AH :(

[funked]

We need:

1.  Permanent squelch command.
2.  HTC to enforce terms of service.

[Wingnut_0]

 

Originally posted by -towd_:
let me get this strait . in a game where the adverage player is 30 is male we cant cuss cause yall might have you kidds on you knee.  

Even though I'm behind a computer screen, if I'm in the arena, I act like it's a public place.  Now I curse a lot when I'm around my friends, but I don't in public and don't in front on my child or anyone elses.  Do you sit down at ur local Italian place and start, "I can't believe this F)@(% pasta...".  

There's really no need for it and it just shows the mentality of some.  I do things that I'm sure ppl would disagree with but if I know it might offend or might not be called for I'll pass.  I still think the same way I'm just more considerate of others.

It's not about controlling.it's about consideration.

Wingnut

[bloom25]

We are all adults here (mainly), so from time to time you see profanity in the buffer.  People aren't going to stop using it, and honestly it would be a bad idea to implement total filters on language throughout the game.

Here's my idea, if it's possible for HTC to do:

Perhaps HTC could make it possible that the game engine searches for certain text strings and replaces them with *s.  These words you wish to filter would be placed in a simple text file in your Aces High Directory.  (It would also be nice to have a squelch text file too.)  This would allow each individual user to selectively censor any word or person of their liking.  (Files would be kind of like the .forward and .plan files used in Unix systems in setup.)  I really have no idea how hard it would be for HT to write this, but I know I wrote something similar for a C programming assignment in a couple hours.  (Nothing like shooting yourself in the foot if HT ends up saying it would be too big of a performance hit or something.   )

How does that sound?



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bloom25
THUNDERBIRDS

[llbm_MOL]

I like the Carlin Filter idea   I came to WB's to late to get to play with the one they had in there in the early daze.... I heard it was a blast. The buffer just full of the alternative words just so everyone could have a good laugh  You Farging Icehole!!!!!!!1


LLB OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[This message has been edited by llbm_MOL (edited 09-17-2000).]

[Torque]

LOL you should hear our squad channel!!! it's Cit fault too!!

One thing tho "DAGO" how is that pronounced??
Your handle sounds awefully close to a racial slang term referring to Italians?

I always wonder about that everytime I see your handle.


The drag is ppl who constantly yell foul lingo, BUT when I hear a pilot that I respect friend or foe and see him swear and rant it's kewl because the SIM brings out such emotion in all of us!!!
*<cough> ziggy*

THX HTC

[Kieren]

Towd-

Never brought my kids into it.  

I find the behavior offensive to me. And as has been alluded to by many others, to stand by and be silent is tacit approval. We then all become insensitive, spurring us on to greater efforts to shock those around us.

I have the right to walk down the street in any town and not have you hurl profanities at me. If you harrass me enough, you can be arrested. I can sue you, and you will lose. All this in the country where people (including yourself) cry aloud about "censorship" and "free speech". The fact is, your freedoms end where my backyard begins. If your exercise of free speech interferes with my rights as a citizen I have the right to ask you to stop.

And for all the chest beating about the words employed- well, I don't really think that is what this is all about to me. The words used are only the manifestation of the utter contempt some of us hold for everyone else. When I see someone using abusive language, I watch how it is being used. If it is someone just blowing up at himself, as in "Shi*, I can't believe I did that!" I have no problem at all. OTOH, if a person says "You are a cheater, and you eat shi*!" then I see an attempt to denegrate another player. This is what I find to be particularly offensive.

I do find it tasteless to use many of the stronger curse words in a public forum, but I find it far more offensive to attack people verbally, with or without the curse words.

[Toad]

 

Originally posted by Wingnut_0:
It's not about controlling.it's about consideration.

Wingnut

My old Ops Officer used to say "Profanity is the first refuge of the truly unimaginative."

He often proved it by chewing you to bits without ever raising his voice or using even one slightly off-color word.  

I agree with Wingnut.

This is simply about the respect and consideration you show your fellow players and the game.

If you choose to not to show it...that's your choice, of course.

I would appreciate some permanent "squelch" capabilities and "delete word" file.

[BBGunn]

"FOWL LANQUAGE": quack,quack, quackcaa-quack.
Can't see paying 30 bucks a month to get cussed at.  Just too many 'quake heads' out there and the responsible folks like many that posted here dont get listened too.  H2H has degenerated into a first person shooter.  Its simple.  The people that cuss or purposely screw up a game should get kicked.  You dont have to be a Buddist monk to figure that courtesy and good language are important-for adults as well as children.

[DrSoya]

I am pleased many of you have expressed in many threads your concern for bad behavior in Aces High.

In fact ever since I left WarBirds and joined AH, 3 months ago, this excessive behavior from many is the one thing I have found most difficult to accept (it seems to me it was never that bad in WB, but I can't affirm it, since because of the higher price tag I never flew as much as I'm flying in AH). To the point that I am constantly questioning the wisdom of paying US$30 a month only to get yelled at by immature and irrespectuous individuals.

I play to relax and have fun, not to be bullied around by frustrated people.

I was even accused of having a "pole out of my ass" because I was strongly and publicly advocating on channel 1 the squelching of individuals who are only capable of showing contempt for their fellow players.

Now I just shut up and squelch those individuals, or just plain squelch 1.

Seeing this growing "revolt of the meek" and the response from HT and Pyro gives me renewed hope in this community.

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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (First Polish Fighter Wing)

[CavemanJ]

Carlin Filter eh
hmmm.. put it on the client end instead of the server, and let the user create a custom list of unacceptable words.  These words are then replaced with **** in the buffer, all work done on the client side (server has enough to keep up with =)

This whole thing can turn into a 1st Ammendment fight.  I've seen it happen before.  The problem is that what some find offensive others find perfectly acceptable.  And you can forget about any words that the FCC will let on the radio etc.  They're not "patently offensive", cause if they were the FCC wouldna let'em be used.

And I gotta agree with Towd about the kids.  I'm a parent myself, as everyone knows.  I would be kidding myself if I thought my kids wouldna be exposed to foul language.
Who has kids and HBO?  When you get rid of your HBO (and any other premium move channels) then come talk to me about kids and foul language in AH.  A couple I know complain about the launguage thier kids see on the net, then turn right around and let the kids watch skinemax (cinemax).  It's sad really, double standard kind of thing.  Guess cause they're saying the words on the TV/movie screen they aren't real enough, but since it's a "real person" saying it in AH it is real enough.

Since I know my kids will be exposed to it I'm going to teach them how to swear.  I'll teach them there's a time and a place for it, and sometimes you just dinnae do it.  Mino made a good point about the rents' reactions to things.  Kids are drawn to things to that pull a strong negative reaction from the parents.  I know I was, cause I'd get some more of mom's attention, and the forbidden things just seemed like more fun.  Educate your kids, dinnae use them as excuses.  And if you're the offended, you're free to use the squelch command and ask HT to add the Carlin Filter (I think an iteration like above would be best, but that's me).

I'll not tell ye how to live your life, so please dinnae tell me how to live mine.  And if that attitude is rude, so be it.

[StSanta]

What cavemanj said.

Except.

Skinematics should be called ViolentOMatix. Far too much violence, far too little skin.

What's with you Americans and violence/nudity? Why is the former ok on tv, but not the latter?

Oh, I forgot, violence don't kill people, nudity does.

Be Another Incredible Thread.



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StSanta
JG54 "Grünherz"
"If you died a stones throw from your wingie; you did no wrong". - Hangtime

[TailLights]

Hmm Foul Languages.

I've been away from AH more than a half year, (well, since beta days,)
And before AH, I've flown in WB(handle was, -lyun-), Last month I've
registered AH and one thing I've feeling particular on radio is...
yes. I was thinking about posting the same Title ; Foul Languages.

It is far worse than anytime before.
it maybe just my feeling, but it seems that others also felt like this, too.

Maybe I'm so young and weak to tolerate those bad words, but even as a
foreign language, bad words are so bad for me. I really don't feel good, and
don't know how to react. yes, I just squelch them and ignore, but always have
a feeling. why? why more 'suckers' are around, what have been changed?

Are there any reasons, or environments, or phenomenons that can explain why
these days 'radio enviroments' are so harsh?

When I'm trying to help someone, and only his reaction is 'foul language' is... eh,
you know how it feels. ... Eventually this gonna discourage communities
attitude about each other...

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what can be done?, if we try? sever side 'catch' of foul language
won't help, IMO. I've seen some other Online-system, they started using
a way around, (e.g. e, instead u, on 4 words, etc etc) ..

Enforcing Policy of HTC will surely help, but it won't affect
2-week free-testing newbies.
maybe 2-week unregistered testers use bad words because of their frusturation,
we may be able to make more detailed, 'enforced' manuals or follow up on-line
tutorial to ... eh, forget it, I know this can't be.

Anyway, I can't solve this, just being frustrated on
those 'foul languages'. my follow up posting(this) is just a sign of my
frustration. you know, some of us (like me) so sensitive and can be hurt
so easy If you can't shoot down a person like me, just say bad words on
me then you will see me logging out, saying 'sigh'.

"TailLights" Tae-Gil,
 

[Wanker]

Go Dago go!  

First of all, let's get one thing straight: This is a privately held game, and company. HTC determines what is acceptable behavior and language for their game. Don't even think of trying to hide behind the 1st amendment on this one. This is not the public domain, so get over it.

One thing I'd like to know, from those who defend the profanity, is how profanity and rudeness enhance the gaming experience? I'm serious. What am I missing by not swearing and taunting over the open channel?


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[Ripsnort]

Having to use foul language online in my opinion says this about someone:

~ They have a lower IQ than the rest of us that can control ourselves in mixed company.
~Someone who cannot control their temper.

I swear, but in the confines of those who know me(if online, it will be private text), and certainly not around kids.  If someone swears outside the confines of friends, then it means they are afraid of something...

[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 09-18-2000).]

[aztec]

All the more reason we need a permanent squelch list. It would not solve the problem, but perhaps could be a good compromise. BTW the fact that whoever is being squelched does NOT recieve a message stating that fact is an improvement over brand Ws ignore command. JMHO

aztec