Trust in U.S. Military soars

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Nash
Why do you draw that conclusion?

Well, with regard to Manedew, it's an obvious comclusion from all of his posts.  If you read my post after that one, you'll see that I agreed completely with you Nash!

[Manedew]

Originally posted by Syzygyone
Obviously you think it was the military that "lost" the Vietnam war.  I'm not talking about doctored casualty reports, or pentagon level politcal bs.  I suppose you think that the Tet Offensive was a major military victory for the NVA and VC too.  If you think that the American military could not have "won" the Vietnam war, you need to go study some history.  

You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment.  That's fine, pathetic, but fine nonetheless.  However, in the future, might I repsectfully suggest that, in your next condemnation post, you differentiate between diatribes against political insittutions, in which the PENTAGON is certainly included, and the actual on the ground military combat unit.

You might want to read what I write before you rant with your preconcevived notions about what you think i was talking about.

I pointed out that Vietnam was MOSTLY not a war of attrition, and that if your not willing to be a CONQUERER you will lose such a war...

Your actually agreeing with me in serveral ways...Does that make you bitter too?

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Personal attack.

Not a personal attack at all, just a statement of fact.  

And all I did was suggest that he not insinuate that the military on the ground was at fault, as opposed to Pentagon and political leadership.

Geez, come to think of it, Sandy, you left wing liberal wacko,
( I listened to Rush today:D), I'd think you'd agree with me since all you lefties support the troops but not the generals or the republicans.

Have a nice conservative day!:cool:

[senna]

>Personal attack.

Now now, why cant we just debate the subject  like reasonable men?

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Manedew
You might want to read what I write before you rant with your preconcevived notions about what you think i was talking about.

I pointed out that Vietnam was MOSTLY not a war of attrition, and that if your not willing to be a CONQUERER you will lose such a war...

Your actually agreeing with me in serveral ways...Does that make you bitter too?

Nope. Not bitter one bit.  I don't hate the government, just loathe some of the dumb people that get into it at times.

But your apparent insinuation that the U.S. military could not win the war in Vietnam is just plain wrong.  While I will grant you that the Vietnam war was MOSTLY not a war of attrition, that is not the fault of the military, and neither is the defeat.  The US didn't win that war, not because it couldn't, but because Johnson, et al., micromanaged the combat and would not let it be a war of attrition.

[Manedew]

so in otherwords .. they wern't willing to be conquerer's... read it handsomehunk

[MrCoffee]

I may stand to be corrected on this subject but wasnt the concept of pulling out first initiated or formulated a bit past about half way into the entire span of the war? Then the latter half of the war was a gracefull or ungracefull termination of an unwanted conflict. My perspective is not political, just asking from those who might know.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Syzygyone
Not a personal attack at all, just a statement of fact.  
 

So... when you stated, "You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment." you really meant that he not insinuate that the military on the ground was at fault, as opposed to Pentagon and political leadership?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Animal
I was raped by a howitzer

Gotta be careful what you wear. You never know what you'll attract.

[Nash]

Seems so Sand.

Put another way, Mane is paranoid of the government. That is unless he blames the "government, Johnson, the Pentagon and the political leadership" (anything but the troops).

In even simpler terms... He's paranoid of the govenrment unless he blames them.

Make sense? Me neither.

Syz?

.... oh look at this happy face/text ratio. Sickening...

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
So... when you stated, "You are, apparently, a very very bitter person with a significant degree of paranoia about all things goverment." you really meant that he not insinuate that the military on the ground was at fault, as opposed to Pentagon and political leadership?

Now Sandy; if that had been a personal attack, I'd have used such terms as "handsomehunk", "*******", or the ever popular ahole, or even You Stupid Nit or You Dumb Bich!  But I didn't.  Nope, not me.  I am an honorable Rook and therefore deal only with the facts as presented.  

I will refrain from using smilies as it is also apparent that the smilie quotient has been exhausted by Nash's sickeningly smilied up post!

[guttboy]

They don't deserve trust...dateing back to and before Tuskegee-Syphilis "testing", to the modren denials of the effects and use of depleated uranium.... These aholes don't deserve our trust..... maybe our respect .. but not our trust....

Well Manedew.....

I am one of those individuals that you call "Aholes" above.  I am currently on active duty in the USAF,  I have been since 1986.  You are entitled to your opinions, but when you make a blanket statement about the thousands of United States military personnel..."Aholes"...as you call us...I have to speak from the heart....its a bit upsetting.

You are entitled to your opinion, you are entitled to your thoughts, you are entitled to do just about anything you want in this nation of ours......there is a reason for that.

I would venture to guess that there is a large majority (not all I do not like making blanket statements) of us _______<----Insert your word      in the United States military who take pride in the US and what it stands for.  I take pride in the fact I can have an opinion that is different from you.  I take pride in the fact that I can do just about anything in this great country.  I take pride in the fact that I have guys that fly and fight along with me that do their jobs so that we can keep those rights.  I take pride in the fact that the US military does a hell of a lot of good in the world.  Perhaps a look at the good things the US military does on occassion would be in order as well.

Is it all perfect in the US military and Govt????  No.  Name a corporation, organization, or club for that matter that is.  Is the US military or govt out to get you or its citizens.....In MY opinion NO WAY.

Just my three cents....and I am truly sorry that you feel the way you do about the US military.

Respectfully,

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Syzygyone
Now Sandy; if that had been a personal attack, I'd have used such terms as "handsomehunk", "*******", or the ever popular ahole, or even You Stupid Nit or You Dumb Bich!  But I didn't.  Nope, not me.  I am an honorable Rook and therefore deal only with the facts as presented.  

I disagree, sir. You've described "namecalling." It's just one form of personal attack. Maybe it's just me but I consider it to be a personal attack anytime the focus of a message or statement is directed toward perceived qualities of the author rather than content of the author's message.

If nothing else... we do have one thing in common... we're both Rooks.

[midnight Target]

Was gonna jump in and say that Sandy is a brother-in-arms but he beat me to it.

Dangit Syz! Didn't Sister Mary Margaret teach you to espouse liberal ideals!!!?

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
I disagree, sir. You've described "namecalling." It's just one form of personal attack. Maybe it's just me but I consider it to be a personal attack anytime the focus of a message or statement is directed toward perceived qualities of the author rather than content of the author's message.
 

Well, I respectfully beg to differ on whether my "personal attack" was an ad hominum argument or not.  I submit that it was only an observation based upon the tenor of his posts and that the substance dealt with the insinuation that the military lost.

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
If nothing else... we do have one thing in common... we're both Rooks.

Damn, now I have to figure out a way to agree with a liberal.
Shoot, RUSH is gonna be pissed off!