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Offline midnight Target

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« Reply #60 on: June 12, 2003, 06:01:43 PM »
If you are in the mood, check out any RV (Recreational Vehicle) service center. With your background in low voltage systems and largish boats, you would be a natural for this kind of business. I also hear through my connections that these places are really hurting for people right now.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #61 on: June 12, 2003, 06:29:36 PM »
hey.. now; thats an intresting idea.. i'll look into it.

thanks, midnight.
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« Reply #62 on: June 12, 2003, 06:32:57 PM »
Good luck Hang!
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« Reply #63 on: June 12, 2003, 06:34:08 PM »
Where exactly are you? I'll get you some names.

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« Reply #64 on: June 12, 2003, 06:48:09 PM »
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rip you work fer a big assed company that deals with it's humongous number of employees as adjustable liabilities on a profit and loss statement. Layoffs are part of working for boeing.

the company i worked for had 3 employees. the owner and myself and a part time school kid. we worked as a team, my employer was also my friend. when we became profitable i got raises, when money was tight i didn't. after 10 years i asked for a limited partnership, or profitsharing and i asked about a retirment program and or a 401k type program.

the answer was brutal and blunt "this is my company, and i'm the president..." upshot was i wan't going to be seeing a change of status... at least so i was lead to believe.  

the workload continued to grow and the owner decided to bring in a new full time person rather than the summer part time college kids we normally used during peak season. I should have recognized that moment what the owners intent was.. but i didn't, and when the new guy was fully trained up, i got the axe.

i thought i had a carrer.. turned out it was just a job. my fault really.. i could have forced the issue as the sole full time salried employee, but since the guy was once a friend i didn't 'go union' on his ass.

'work shall set you free'.

no kiddin.

midnight, i built and serviced low voltage power supplies (batteries) and control systems for R/C and the military, and fuctioned as the operations manager for the company that just laid me off. The owner could and often did leave the shop for months at a time, the buisness functioned flawlessley during his extended and numerous absences. I have over the last 35 years been a heavy equipment operator, auto mechanic, tire store manager, boatbuilder and rigger, battery technician and RPV mechanic.

now i'm in the training loop to be an unemployed bum, with a promotion to bankruptcy immenent.

lifes a squeak, then you find out it can even get worse than that. ;)


Thats a bummer hang...but let me quote myself earlier in the thread and quote your response:

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Ripsnort[People tend to] stick with what you're comfortable with...a natural human tendancy is not to take yourself out of your comfort zone...personally I think taking ones self out of their respective comfort zones in any aspect of life is the key to getting ahead but thats a philosophical aspect.


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Hang:rip, it's easy to sit in yer comfy house with the carpeted garage and wax philosophical on trickle down economics for the little people but lemme tell yah something real here..

getting kicked out on the street is not a key to getting ahead, its key to getting run over by thoughtless blind tulips that think it's no big deal when its somebody elses life that get tossed in the crapper.

that is all. you may return to your glib dissertations on 'comfort zones'.



Why you chose to pick out my philosophy on life in general, and applying towards a game..is interesting at best.  All I was stating is...there is a silver lining in EVERY cloud.
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« Reply #65 on: June 12, 2003, 06:57:30 PM »
Keep going rip.  This is getting better and better.  A few more posts and you'll top the porch light thread.

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« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2003, 07:58:54 PM »
With a few of them, it has to do with being recognized in the current community they reside in(and fear of not being recognized in a new sim), or have some sort of role (CM, trainer, etc.) that gives them their daily dose of "someone needs me, I feel important", to put it blandly....

What a thought !!! Fascinating ?
It wouldn't have anything to do with best events on the net ? S3s ? Or maybe mac support and some of those people having friends for over 6 years with whom they flew ?
For some people friendships there are more important then better graphics or added features.

To each his own Rip. Still, no reason to be a dick. Especially as you contiually take high road on AGW with "all simer love each other" threats.

**** Rip, we have very different opinion, different view, and i can live with that. But recently you have become more and more of condesending *******. Why slam community you came from yourself for no good reason ?

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« Reply #67 on: June 12, 2003, 08:20:47 PM »
Mini, I went out to do some yardwork, and if I had a taker, I would have bet my life savings you'd be here in defense of Hang soon after my post...would you have done it if he was not in your squad? Probably not...

Whats your take on this Mini? why do you think Hang zero'd in on a good philosophical aspect of looking at the glass half full, instead of half empty, I'd be really curious to hear your aspect of it.


Hang, I wish you all the best, as I mentioned before, I'm sorry to hear about your job.  Since you brought it up, and zero'd in on my post, I just want to say, with your grit, and attitude that I've known for 3 years or so..you'll be back to work.

Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light?  ~Maurice Freehill
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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2003, 08:34:09 PM »
Wow rip.  What's my take on hangtime's situation?  Pretty simple really...

I'm glad I don't have to be dealing with the same situation right now.

Or... maybe I should be sitting back telling him not to worry and giving him reassurances despite the fact that I really know nothing about his current situation other than he was just laid off.  But then... if I did that... I'd also have to shave my head, buy a 330i and start shooting at any headlights that looked like they might be coming towards my house.


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« Reply #69 on: June 12, 2003, 09:08:04 PM »
Whats wrong with trying to keep a positive attitude in a dark situation.  If I am on charges of that...I plead guilty.


Time to fly...

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« Reply #70 on: June 12, 2003, 09:41:49 PM »

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« Reply #71 on: June 12, 2003, 09:53:17 PM »
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Whats wrong with trying to keep a positive attitude in a dark situation.  If I am on charges of that...I plead guilty.


Time to fly...
LOL! damn.. the coup de gras.

Thanks rip.. this was a very special wrapup for you.

BTW... what's wrong with it?  Dunno... I suppose that you thinking you have to be the light in someone else's dark situation may be the problem.  But that's just my take on things.  Feel free to argue how you're only trying to help by being right.

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« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2003, 10:50:03 PM »
rip, in the world i live in what seemed a certainty was my job. i'd get up, go to work, do the work and get paid. it was agreed at the start that i would participate in the companys success and accepted that his word meant something. there was never, ever, any discussion of layoff. buisness has been and remains solid. in the leanest of times all we had to do was put off a few large equipment buys because of a tenative buisness enviornment. it should be noted that the boss never let an economic slowdown slow down his lust for nice toys.. the company bought him a beautiful piper dakota and a hanger in the hamptons 4 years ago.

you'd think if the buisness was getting 'tight' he'd sell the dakota and the hanger (the company owns them).

it wasn't 'economics' that wrought me an axe, it was an egotistical buisness owner who decided the companys success was his alone to enjoy. now, the company is poised on the cusp of expansion into new venues of buisness and he decided he'd rather hold onto all the strawberries. when the new guy was trained up and the 'economy' went down the tubes he had an outstanding opportunity to cut his expenses and remove a ticking time bomb liability.. me. i'm 50, he's 60 and he wanted me out before he cashes in and retires in a few years.

he used the 'economy' as an excuse.

it's guys like that that make me smile at union organizers.

my gripe with your commentary rip is that it's glib, untinking and entirely condescending. take yer 'silver lining' and stuff it up yer ass.. see how many medical bills it'll pay for my kid. i'm sure the ien folks that just got tossed feel pretty much the same way.. losing a job that pays your bills, a job that keeps the creditors at bay, gives you some sense of self worth and identity just goes away one day.. what; we're supposed to be chamed and reassured by your 'comfort zone' dissertation?

there is no silver lining in having your life crushed. i have no wifes salary to fall back on, no home with a carpeted garage and 15 years of equity, no savings to tap, no great job prospects at my age beyond harder work and more of it for even longer than my life expectancy to try to get even close to the salary i EARNED my way up to last week.

it took years and years of hard work and dilligence to build that buisness, i ate plenty of crow, played second bananna like a pro, accepted my scraps and table leavings and carried on because i had every reason to expect that hard work and dillegence would be rewarded. and.. it's all gone in an instant because a greedy little man can't share success.

and whats left is just the price of it all.

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Who is more foolish, the child afraid of the dark or the man afraid of the light? ~Maurice Freehill


I am a fool.. diffrence is, i know it and thats hard to live with.
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« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2003, 11:05:35 PM »
Mini-Pee-Pee, why don't you and Drip go get a motel room.  For Pete's sake let's get back to making fun of iEN and feeling sorry for Hangtime.

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« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2003, 11:10:40 PM »
damn.. see; i knew the paragraphs got too long.

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