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Offline MOSQ

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« Reply #180 on: July 14, 2003, 07:57:41 PM »
I miss the AW FR blackouts. If you pushed too hard, you didn't just get tunnel vision like you do here. In AW you actually blacked out and lost control of your plane for several seconds.
Made you learn to fly the edge or else!
Here it's too easy to pull whopper G's and even fly and make turns while in the tunnel.
The spins were nastier too, or I've just gotten better at spin recovery.

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« Reply #181 on: July 14, 2003, 09:22:52 PM »
Not long ago, the flight model in here was a bit less forgiving than it is today.  From Beta to 2001 or so, blackouts and spins in here were ugly!  I got into a 15K downward spin in a P-38 back then and it didn't look like I was going to recover it.  I finally did, around 2K.
Some lower spins could not be saved.  HTC made the model a bit more user friendly to accomodate the RR AW crowd and others that were flocking into his realm.  Other things like auto takeoff were born then too.
Maybe to your credit and mine, I haven't had a spin in AH since I don't know when.                                                                                      (missing a wing not included) :D



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I miss the AW FR blackouts. If you pushed too hard, you didn't just get tunnel vision like you do here. In AW you actually blacked out and lost control of your plane for several seconds.
Made you learn to fly the edge or else!
Here it's too easy to pull whopper G's and even fly and make turns while in the tunnel.
The spins were nastier too, or I've just gotten better at spin recovery.


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« Reply #182 on: July 14, 2003, 09:25:44 PM »
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Like figuring out who Harvey H. Nininger was !


Wasn't he the meteorite guy?

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« Reply #183 on: July 14, 2003, 09:26:06 PM »
What is miss is that there isnt someplace like  AW that has HO's "off" so that all the HO whinners could go play there and keep the whinning about HOs down to a minimum on AH.

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« Reply #184 on: July 14, 2003, 09:27:20 PM »
what are FR and RR?

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« Reply #185 on: July 14, 2003, 09:35:30 PM »
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what are FR and RR?


FR=Full Realism-included blackouts, massive spins, heavy stalls, and redouts like AH has normally.

RR=Relaxed Realism-yank and bank all ya want, no blackouts or spins, just point and shoot.  A novice setting for players who needed a gamey sim but not all the extras.

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« Reply #186 on: July 14, 2003, 09:56:51 PM »
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what are FR and RR?


Those terms actually came into existence pretty late in AW's history.  FR stood for, but did not actually mean, "full realism".  RR stood for, and actually mean, "relaxed realism".

Back in the very ancient days, late 80s, AW started out with extremely little in the way of realism (no gravity, for example) and the planes moved at 1/2 speed or even less (this was when 2400 Baud was a FAST connection).  As the game and the internet evolved and realism features were added, they kept the less-realistic stuff alive as a kiddie pool.  Eventually, by the early/mid-90s, the arenas had become as follows:

HT:  "Half-Time", meaning planes moved in slo-mo.  In addition, no spins, no blackouts, not even real stalling in the vertical, greater toughness, and lots more ammo with less lethality.  This was where the real dweebs played and drunk vets would sometimes sneak in there to terrorize them, physically and verbally.  GAWD that was hilarious, especially because there was no killshooter :D  Kesmai, instead of frowning on these Evil Acts of Overt Griefing, thought it was all hilarious and often ran Evil Con Missions to reduce the HT dweebs literally to tears.  I mean, NOBODY had any respect for the HT dweebs :D

Edit:  Seriously, guys who griefed HT would post up their exploits on the official boards, including films. and everybody applauded particularly Evil acts.  When HT dweebs posted complaints, they were howled off the stage, even by Kesmoids.  When they'd then post up that they were quitting, Moggy or Centurion would simply post "A kill has been recorded" and that was that.  Ah, the memories :D  Today, that sort of fun would get players banned and company reps would get fired :(

RT:  "Real Time", meaning the planes flew at realistic speeds and all the realism effects then in the game were present.  This was the Great Bastion of HATE, the like of which has never been seen since they pulled the plug on Stimpy, the DOS AW host :(.

When DOS AW died, they changed this format in AW4W, AW2, and AW3.  They kept the old HT stuff going in the newbie arena, renamed the RT arena to FR, and created the RR arena which was basically the newbie/HT arena only with full-speed planes.  

But over time, the line between the FR and RR arenas blurred as Kesmai dumbed FR down.  Aparently they did this because they had like 50 RR arenas and the lone FR arena was mostly empty, so they wanted to lure RR dweebs over.  By 1/2way through AW3, the so-called FR arena was called KR by the cynical vets, for "kinda real".  That's when I quit flying AW.
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« Reply #187 on: July 14, 2003, 10:18:44 PM »
This is old. When EA hired Indian staff ..English apparently wasnt a job requirement. But it was at the end of AW.If you arent fallin off your chair then you need some humor vitamins and do I know where to get them..Amway has them and Coach is your Amway man. Wheres my soap damnit?
 
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« Reply #188 on: July 14, 2003, 10:35:29 PM »
In AW we all were fairly comfortable with the size of our own penii and didn't feel threatened enough or obligated to measure them every ten seconds to impress the crowd. Well ... the FR crowd was. Well, ok .... some of the FR crowd was.

Ok ... well ... no real difference there then.

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« Reply #189 on: July 14, 2003, 11:01:12 PM »
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Wasn't he the meteorite guy?
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Horn wins the prize ! I've had that signature now for many months, Horn is the first to figure it out.

Harvey was quite famous in the 30's, every kid in America knew who he was. The great unsolvable mystery was where do meteorites come from? Harvey dedicated his entire life to solving that mystery.

So Horn, you're either pretty old, or you're an astronomy geek !

Good job!

Mosq

Now I have to find another great quote from some unheard of person...:rolleyes::) :)

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« Reply #190 on: July 14, 2003, 11:18:45 PM »
"If I take refuge in ambiguity, I assure you that it’s quite conscious."

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« Reply #191 on: July 14, 2003, 11:22:52 PM »
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"If I take refuge in ambiguity, I assure you that it’s quite conscious."


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« Reply #192 on: July 14, 2003, 11:26:56 PM »
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Originally posted by K-KEN
FR=Full Realism-included blackouts, massive spins, heavy stalls, and redouts like AH has normally.

RR=Relaxed Realism-yank and bank all ya want, no blackouts or spins, just point and shoot.  A novice setting for players who needed a gamey sim but not all the extras.

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There were some planes in the AW RR planeset you can actually spin.  One of them was the P-38J and that was done by turning off one engine and doing a snap roll on the dead engine side.  Thing would spin like a top until you turned the shut off engine back on.  I'm sure you could have done it with any of the multi-engine planes in RR but I only did it with the P-38J.


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« Reply #193 on: July 14, 2003, 11:33:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Silat
This is old. When EA hired Indian staff ..English apparently wasnt a job requirement. But it was at the end of AW.If you arent fallin off your chair then you need some humor vitamins and do I know where to get them..Amway has them and Coach is your Amway man. Wheres my soap damnit?
 
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That was a real smart move on EA's part, get rid of the volunteer staff and replace them with dot heads from India.  My favorite reply from one of the dot head 'techs' responding to a players tech question about video related boots when the dot head told the player to update his mouse drivers since that's the cause of 99% of all video related problems in games.  

Another funny time with the dot heads was when it came out that most of them were girls and then seeing a bunch of players trying to scam on some Indian girl from New Delhi.


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« Reply #194 on: July 14, 2003, 11:34:44 PM »
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Originally posted by bfreek
What is miss is that there isnt someplace like  AW that has HO's "off" so that all the HO whinners could go play there and keep the whinning about HOs down to a minimum on AH.



Don't HO and you won't need a seperate arena to whine in.


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