Author Topic: Ki-61 vs Spit IX (Read 2257 times)

Sikboy · « **Reply #30 on:** August 07, 2003, 09:15:54 AM »

We had some really good Ki-61 Vs. F6F and F4U-1 fights during the "Combat Air Patrol" event a few weeks back. In that event, wich was geared towards Amphibious Assaults (keeping the fights fairly low) the Ki-61 had a nearly even K/D vs. theses two US fighters.

Before discovering how much fun the Yak was, I started learning the Hein, and was pleased with the results. As has been mentioned, you want to keep some alt, and you need to keep your speed up, and remeber that you arn't going to be able to run from too many things.

-Sik

gofaster · « **Reply #31 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:43:53 AM »

So last night I actually found a Spitfire IX alone at 10k alt on its way to a base-capture furball a sector over. I was in a Ki-61 at 20k and engaged him in a running gunbattle.

I dove down, he split-S'd away and I pulled up. Rinse and repeat a few times (I was trying to keep my speed up and some air under my feet) and he eventually pulls away from me. We meet again just offshore at co-alt (I'm down to 15k and he's up to 15k) and the fight is on!

Like most Spitfire IX fights, it begins to devolve into a series of loops as each of us tries to pull a lead turn on the other, accomplishing nothing but a series of near head-on snapshots. After the 3rd or 4th turn, he split-S'd down while I looped up. Ah-ha! Separation and I have alt advantage! So down I go as he comes back up.

Unfortunately, as I'm going down I'm also gaining speed, and as he's coming up he's losing speed, which allows him to get his nose around on me before I can get mine around on him and he knocks off my wing. However, my cannons are in my nose, not my wing, so as we pass through each other I manage to land a few shells in his engine.

As I'm hanging in my chute, I see him limp off towards his base to try to save his plane. The way I see it, he got the kill but I got the victory. I kept a Spit IX from engaging my team and bagging multiple kills, and he got very few perk points for his trouble.

The next flight I bagged a FW190D and a N1K2 on the deck and landed them for 22 perk points, so I figure out of two flights I went 2 kills, 1 death, and 1 got away wounded.

Kweassa · « **Reply #32 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:08:08 AM »

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The way I see it, he got the kill but I got the victory.

Err... no, not really.

Shot down people got no rights to 'victory'. Hellllooo~ "Shot down" equals "I lost the fight"..?

No matter how much they'd like to think otherwise....

That's why engaging Spits in inferior planes are often classic cases of "it's the plane, not the pilot" I'll bet the guy you've engaged would have been dead within 20 seconds of the engagement, had he been in a same Ki-61, like you.

The only thing that led him to victory is the plane.

Probably that's why people hate Spitfires - some planes actually make crappy pilots perform a lot better. And sometimes, crossing the margin in performance differences with skill alone, is something that's just not possible.

Frankly, if a Spitfire pilot even remotely knows basics of ACM, I don't think there's any chance a Ki-61 can beat a Spit9, no matter how adept the pilot is.

Kekule · « **Reply #33 on:** August 08, 2003, 09:36:41 AM »

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Frankly, if a Spitfire pilot even remotely knows basics of ACM, I don't think there's any chance a Ki-61 can beat a Spit9, no matter how adept the pilot is.

Which makes shooting spitfires down that much more satisfying.

Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai

nopoop · « **Reply #34 on:** August 08, 2003, 08:36:14 PM »

So far Kek your riding a 5/1 K/D versus those furballin Spit IX meanies..

Check nomies site out. Good info, easy interface.

http://www.innomi.com/ahkillstats/personalstats.php?

Flyboy · « **Reply #35 on:** August 14, 2003, 02:26:11 AM »

kekulesan

welcome to AH i hope you will stay
atleast for some time

will look for a uber Ki61 in the skies
and then ill up a spit and kill you

Gixer · « **Reply #36 on:** August 14, 2003, 05:19:21 AM »

Sorry for the slight change of topic, but...

I'm curious to know why some people find it necessary to (constantly) post their prowess and stats in this or that fighter in almost every and any thread possible?

Do they feel their identy as being a great stick is not being discussed often enough? And therefore need to self promote themselves and results to gain reputation within the community?

...-Gixer
-Hells Angels-

Maniac · « **Reply #37 on:** August 14, 2003, 05:23:01 AM »

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Do they feel their identy as being a great stick is not being discussed often enough? And therefore need to self promote themselves and results to gain reputation within the community?

Yes.

gofaster · « **Reply #38 on:** August 14, 2003, 07:52:28 AM »

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Originally posted by Gixer
Do they feel their identy as being a great stick is not being discussed often enough? And therefore need to self promote themselves and results to gain reputation within the community?

I wish people would discuss my prowess in the Ki-61 at least twice a day; once here and once in the O'Club, just so I would feel validated.

najdorf · « **Reply #39 on:** August 14, 2003, 09:08:44 AM »

The Ki 61 isn't a terrible plane, but if you're going to fly IJ, why bother with it. A6M5b and N1K are so much better. They have actual advantages whereas the Ki 61 does not.

If your a really good pilit, you can beat a less skilled opponent in it, but all things being equal, the Ki 61 is outclassed by so many planes it would be easier to list the ones that don't outclass it like C47's and P40b's.

Mini D · « **Reply #40 on:** August 14, 2003, 12:41:10 PM »

The Ki-61 is a great plane to fly.. but only if the enemy has no idea just how many weaknesses it has.

Mostly, I just like to shoot them down.

MiniD

Kekule · « **Reply #41 on:** August 14, 2003, 02:40:56 PM »

najdorf,

I choose not to fly the N1K because it is too easy to do well in. If I wanted an uber ride I'd fly a spitfire or Pony or N1K or (insert 1945 plane here.)

The A6M5 is an IJN plane, I'm more of an IJAAF pilot.

I like the Ki-61 because, well, just because. If AH had a Ki-43, I'd fly that as well. (And I'd sneak in a Ki-84 sortie now and then even though it is uber

)

The point is not to fly the best plane available, but to do the best that you can flying the plane that you like.

Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai

najdorf · « **Reply #42 on:** August 14, 2003, 03:48:35 PM »

I understand what you're saying. The problem is, unless you catch someone really napping, the Ki61 is real hard to get good results in. You don't have to be better, you have to be much better.

One other thing, the uberness of the N1k is overated IMO. Strong guns with slow rate of fire and bad ballistics. No top end speed, can be outturned by zekes, hurris, f4f, fm2 and spit v.

Kekule · « **Reply #43 on:** August 14, 2003, 03:50:41 PM »

I'm not afraid of anyone.

Nor am I afraid to die.

Kekule
WB: 18th Sentai

najdorf · « **Reply #44 on:** August 14, 2003, 03:57:35 PM »

I was not suggesting fear of other pilits. My post was intended to address your opening inquiry of Ki61 v. Spit 9. I was just pointing out that in AH, Ki61 is pretty much a dog that is greatly outclassed by many planes. I am not suggesting you have to fly the best plane to be competitive or that should be anyone's practice.