Naval Aviator Bush Action Figure

[rpm]

Well, using your crystal ball and given the exact same information from the document, you should be able to tell me exactly why Bath didn't take the physical. Go for it.

Bath is not POTUS. Bath is not the subject...you are drifting into left field.

Missing a scheduled physical is in no way disobeying a "disobey a direct order to take a drug test."

The order may not have been direct, but it was an order. The drug test was part of the physical.

Had he taken the physical at any later date and passed he'd have been immediately restored to flight status without prejudice.

At ANY later date....but he NEVER did. Just because the discharge was Honorable does not mean he was not disciplined.In Fall 1973, as an automatic disciplinary action, Bush was reassigned to the Obligated Reserve Section in Denver, because he disobeyed orders to show up for a mandatory flight physical and therefore was unable to fulfill the last two years of his six-year obligation as an Air National Guard jet fighter pilot.

Game Over.

A whine has been recorded.

[k2cok]

Little socks to stuff its crotch with?  

[Hortlund]

Nash...

Exactly what is your opinion of your participation in this thread so far? Because from where Im sitting, you are playing the part of the tard on the schoolyard.

You know, when two guys were going to fight and they stood face to face mouthing off waiting for someone to throw the first punch, there was always some tard in the background going "well said" or "yeah" or "hahaha" or whatever.

In this thread you play that part. The tard on the yard.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Nash... Exactly what is your opinion of your participation in this thread so far? Because from where Im sitting, you are playing the part of the tard on the schoolyard.

Yup - I'd say that's a fair characterization of it.

[Hortlund]

Nash...everybody hated the tard on the yard...

[Nash]

NOW ya tell me?

[Toad]

You use the exact same "evidence" that exists for Bath as you do for Bush. In one case you deem the man guilty of disobeying a direct order to take a drug test, in the other you seem to be unable to draw any conclusion whatsoever.

This isn't evidence of any sort. It wouldn't even meet criteria for circumstantial evidence.

And you aren't "ordered" to report for a physical. You're "scheduled", just like you're scheduled for the altitude chamber certification or a checkride in your aircraft. I never got an order in my in box saying "report for a checkride by order of the commander."

Show me where the transfer to Obligated Reserve Section in Denver was a disciplinary action. Once again, it's an Administrative function. I was automatically transferred to the Inactive Reserve with HQ in Denver when I separated. Was I disciplined?

You apparently can't distinguish between Administrative procedure and Disciplinary action.

HEADQUARTERS AIR RESERVE PERSONNEL CENTER

2.  Member's who fail annual assessment will follow the same procedures as active duty members.


     a.  SFIP/MFIP will be monitored by the members unit of assignment or attachment.


     b.  Member's are authorized 4 hours of IDT every 90 days for re-assessment.  Members may submit AF Form 40a for points only.


     c.  Member's who fail assessment after one year are referred to the commander of the unit of assignment or attachment for appropriate action.  The commander may request reassignment of the member to the Obligated Reserve Section or the Non-obligated, Non-participating Ready Personnel Section.

It's pretty obvious you don't know what you're talking about. This is an Admin procedure, not discipline. He became unqualified and they transferred him out, in accordance with Admin procedure.

You said you served, what did you do?


Any Article 15's in Bush' file? That's about the lowest "official" record of discipline, coming after admonition or reprimand.

[Yeager]

whaaaaa!  fediddlein spoiled brats.

And whats up with the dude hiding behind a new account?  Must be all the incriminating/embarrasing performances.  Thats the punk action doll.

These dorks try to call into question the service record of a man whom they cannot find any credible source to do so yet because Clinton is a noodlesucker and Gore a stiffer than stiff salamander they feel mandated to try and tear down a guy whos just too simple to be torn.  

Give it up you pissing poor losers.  Or find some credible, reputable evidence that is infalable.  Oh thats right, You cant.

Sometimes Im amused....................

[Holden McGroin]

I missed an appointment with the FAA doctor for my second class medical.  Must be I was concerned about the huge quantities of illegal drugs in my system.

Either that or I just forgot.

[nopoop]

Well to be totally honest, I missed mine cuz I was fuggin ripped..

Northern California "wheelchair dank"

If I remember right..

But with "wheelchair dank" that's open to conjecture..

[midnight Target]

LOL Nash

[rpm]

Show me where the transfer to Obligated Reserve Section in Denver was a disciplinary action.

My apologies for the poor quality. All he had to do was take the physical. It was automatic disciplinary measure, i.e. when you refuse to blow in the breathalyzer for a DUI you lose your license.

You said you served, what did you do?

BM2 USCG

Just keep clicking your heels.."There's no Prez like Bush, There's no Prez like Bush..."

[k2cok]

I could have asked if war makes the Bush dollie sport "wood".  

[Toad]

Jeez, ya coulda just clipped the text as well.

"j. I have been advised this date regarding the provisions of DOD Directive 1215.15, 23 February 1967. I understand that I may be ordered to active duty for a period not to exceed 24 months for unsatisfactory participation as presently defined in Chapter 41, AFM 25-3. Further, I understand that if I am unable to satisfactorily participate in the ANG, and have an unfulfilled military service obligation, that I may be discharged from the state ANG and assigned to the Obligated Reserve Section (ORS) AF Reserve, Denver, Colorado, and subject to active duty for a period not to exceed a total of 24 months considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours.

k. "However, I also understand that the provisions for invoking the 45 day tour for a member who has a satisfactory attendence record but has failed to progress in specialty training will remain in effect. (Paragraph 42.7a, AFM 35-3j"

Now, please post paragraphs A-I so we can see what this letter really says. The date of the document would be helpful as well in figuring where it fits in his career timeline. Can you show if this was after the no-show at the physical or was it before? Or was it after he went to Alabama?

It says he admits "unsatisfactory participation", that's it. There's no date and there's no paragraphs A-I that would state the nature of the problem and the documentation there of. Let's have a look at that, shall we?

While you're at it, I'd like to see the first page(s) of the letter removing him from flight status. I'm betting it says nothing about disciplinary actions and is a routine administrative message.

You might try putting a hand on each cheek, pushing hard twice and seeing if you hear a "pop" as your vision clears.

[Toad]

Also, note the "subject to active duty for a period not to exceed a total of 24 months considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours."

He went to UPT, basic pilot training. There's 53 weeks.

He went to F-102 RTU. Figure 3 months at least.

Any "two week" Guard summer duty periods would count.

He'd probably have been liable for something around 6 more months "considering all previous active duty and active duty for training tours".

His unit was phasing out the 102, IIRC. Odds of him being sent to do anything at all for six months are pretty unlikely. It wouldn't be worth processing him.

And again, this is all Admin stuff. There's no JAG involved here. You can't find a single Article 15 in his records.

So your position is simply bogus.