Author Topic: WWIIOL Revisited (sos) (Read 2806 times)

Habu · « **Reply #75 on:** August 16, 2003, 05:31:40 PM »

I am really really going to miss the 109F. I had a good 2 on 1 fight against 2 spits last night. I took them both out in a combination B nZ and turnfight which is probably not realistic in the sense that the 109F in real life might not have been able to hold up to the spit 1 in a turn fight but I still had to use hi and lo yo-yos some other fancy moves to keep both of them off my tail and eventually kill them both.

Was my plane Uber? No it was just a decent turner like the spit and is no more Uber two spits fighting each other. If the other plane can turn with you and there are two of you, obviously both should not be trying to get on my 6 at the same time.

The game is fun to play. The CRS staff are have to deal with a flame a thon from day one and most of the early flames were deserved but at what point do you just want to say to the whiners STFU and play the Freeking Game.

lazs2 · « **Reply #76 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:38:49 AM »

no gad/liz... what I meant was that if you know the character and bias of the designer and you also like realistic FM's you will notice that much more the bias. but then... you allways flew LW anyway didn't you?
lazs

Gadfly · « **Reply #77 on:** August 17, 2003, 10:55:30 AM »

No, I am pretty much a bomber guy-B25, B17, bettie, Val and TBF-Although I do fly the P39, P40 and the Zero on occasion.

DocDoom · « **Reply #78 on:** August 19, 2003, 11:13:27 PM »

I have never made such a generalized or ludicrous claim as "an Fw190 will out turn a SpitV" and if that's your problem, get some counseling.

Now, using zoom and roll rate, vertical maneouvring and any E disparity between the two engaged aircraft, as you well know it would be possible to "out turn" a SpitV with an Fw190 if you wanted to loosely define OUTMANOEUVRE as "out turning" but I would never make such a definition.

Now, it is quite obvious you hate the very fact that I still have a pulse and draw breath on this planet but I hardly feel it nessesary to apologise for that, as for the rest, well, it's easy to calim whatever you like but it hardly means anything real, other than your obvious dislike of my existence or presence anywhere that is visible to you.

Carry the torch as long as you have strength to do so, I don't know why you care to but I'm not you, so what do I know about that ?

Not much and it isn't important anyway.

Westy · « **Reply #79 on:** August 20, 2003, 06:58:54 AM »

How about continuing this on the WWIIO boards?

Pooh21 · « **Reply #80 on:** August 20, 2003, 07:12:46 AM »

I've heard rumors, horrible rumors, that those people limit 109s over there. Is there any truth to that?

and did they even have spitfires in france at that time, I thought they just sent Hurricanes over.

And where are the Fairey Battles?

lazs2 · « **Reply #81 on:** August 20, 2003, 08:24:59 AM »

he sure talks purty tho... you should hear him when he thinks he has an audience of fans.
lazs

Habu · « **Reply #82 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:02:57 AM »

Wow a post from the doctor.

I admire the fact that he is willing to come and clear the air. A high Yo-Yo will make a poor turner with a good roll rate a deadly opponent against a good turning plane like a spit 5. Seems like a silly thing to be arguing (or carrying a grudge about).

Flight sims are great things. We all love them or why else would we be here. DocDoom has been part of the creation of at least 2 of the most famous ones around. Anything created by humans is going to be open to criticism. I am sure Michael Angelo caught a lot of criticism when he was painting. I am sure some people hated what Beethoven was doing in his day. Aces High is a great sim as well. Play the ones that appeal to you and if one does not then just don't worry about it.

I wish they were all prosperous and and growing. I cannot think of any other past time that has held my attention for so long over so many years.

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Originally posted by DocDoom
I have never made such a generalized or ludicrous claim as "an Fw190 will out turn a SpitV" and if that's your problem, get some counseling.

Now, using zoom and roll rate, vertical maneouvring and any E disparity between the two engaged aircraft, as you well know it would be possible to "out turn" a SpitV with an Fw190 if you wanted to loosely define OUTMANOEUVRE as "out turning" but I would never make such a definition.

Now, it is quite obvious you hate the very fact that I still have a pulse and draw breath on this planet but I hardly feel it nessesary to apologise for that, as for the rest, well, it's easy to calim whatever you like but it hardly means anything real, other than your obvious dislike of my existence or presence anywhere that is visible to you.

Carry the torch as long as you have strength to do so, I don't know why you care to but I'm not you, so what do I know about that ?

Not much and it isn't important anyway.

Dowding · « **Reply #83 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:05:39 AM »

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I am sure Michael Angelo caught a lot of criticism when he was painting. I am sure some people hated what Beethoven was doing in his day.

Tell me you are joking with that analogy.

Westy · « **Reply #84 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:23:05 AM »

"I admire the fact that he is willing to come and clear the air. "

Maybe it would be called "admirable" (and even then admirable is a STRETCH!) for him to "clear the air" (still smells like flatulance) on his own turf instead of running out from behind that "safe" wall they've built around themselves to fire off a shot?

But oh my Habu. lol. Your analogy is so way over the top.

Habu · « **Reply #85 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:23:24 AM »

Well yes and no.

Many fantastic Roman sculptures were broken up for fill by Italian peasants when the empire fell as they were so common they were like Ikea furniture is today. Nice to look at but not really worth the hassle of taking it apart and moving when you want to relocate it.

Genius is very often not appreciated when it is being created. It is only later that it is recognized.

The creator of Pong was a genius. Really who every thought of making a game that you could play on a TV screen against another player? Pong was the first and look at what it spawned.

I am sure if you had bought a first edition of Superman in its day you would have probably read it and thrown it out. I would have too. It was not appreciated for what it was and how it fit in to the world of what came later until many years after.

Aces High, WW2OL, WB and AW are all ground breaking in their own way. It is only going to be 25 years from now that we will appreciate which ones were genius and which ones were dead ends.

Dowding · « **Reply #86 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:31:31 AM »

Superman comics are works of genius comparable to the Sistine Chapel? This gets better and better. Are you pulling my leg?

Habu · « **Reply #87 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:40:51 AM »

Westy I am no fan boy.

When the game went gold I made a number of posts in the game's newsgroup telling fan boys what I thought. Not flameing just how what they did was going to seriously hurt the game and possibly kill it. I told them the right way to do it was the way Aces High did. Come out with simple versions for free and let people play for free then release update after update constantly improving the game before finally chargeing for it. To me that was the proper way to do it and I told the NG's as much.

I also bought a early edition of the game but after takeing a look tossed it aside and refused to pay for a sub until version 1.5 came out.

I fly mainly and when I tried it I found it addictive enough to come back and give it a chance. Each version is better than the last.

That is not being a fan boy that is the truth from my perspective. I am suprised they survived a year. I am amazed they continue to pump out bigger and better versions.

Most diehard fan boys are gone from the game anyway. They all get pissed off when they have a problem and realize that the game creators do not hold them in any higher regard than any other customer. Kind of like a movie star fan who meets his idol and it pissed off when she does not even sign his autograph book.

One of the most loyal fan boys of all was recenty banned from the game (he is in my squad Windhund) over a stupid series of posts. He was given a warning and told Hatch to piss off and out he was tossed.

AKWeav · « **Reply #88 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:42:26 AM »

I wonder if "Doc" read this entire post, or simply came by to respond to the attacks on him?

At any rate, an update on the state CRS's tech support. I submitted the request on the 9th of August. They finally responded on the 15th of August. Below is the copied tex from their online support pages:

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CS10 added: Aug 15 05:51PM
Are you using any external utilities or programs to map the sticks? Also, the latest version of DirectX?

Weav added: Aug 15 06:30PM
No external programs to map sticks, just windows XP game controllers program. DX version 9.0 I might add that unplugging the CH Pro pedals enables the game to see the Saitek X-45 j/s.

Weav added: Aug 19 11:16PM
If it's going to take you this long, never mind. The free trial is long gone, and I'm tired of waiting to even try this new edition offline. Thanks for nothing.
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Take note Doc, this "box of snakes" (as you yourself refered to ww2ol) is not doing much in the way grabbing new long term customers. Should a customer have to wait this long to even hear from ww2ol, and longer for responses? Could this lack of timely response to customer concerns be turning off more potential revenue than the mulitudes of bugs found in the "box"?

My thanks to HTC for the medium to vent, since CRS closes their boards to the general public, and past customers.

Habu · « **Reply #89 on:** August 20, 2003, 10:46:07 AM »

Dowding they are different but yes each is genius in its own way. If you judge a work of art by how difficult it was to create then the Space Shuttle has to be the most impressive creation of all time.

However I would argue penicillin probably affected the world more profoundly and it was just a bit of mould growing in a petri dish.

Genius is all over. Appreciate things for what they are and see the genius in them. A comic book can be genius just as much as a painting if it is ground breaking, starts a trend and becomes part of a nations culture.