This war on terrorism is bogus

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Erlkonig
GRUNHERZ, I think I've mentioned this before, but your "you hate America, you just hate it! " line is getting more than a little tired and hollow (as well as being a lie, in this case).  The Soviet Union won the war in Europe more than anyone else.  That is a fact.  I'm sorry you don't like it, but it's true.  Maybe you and Martlette can go form a therapy group.

or, you can pick up a history book and get your facts together.  

Perhaps you'd like to through a few of them out here, so we all can be enlightened, thus saving the money on the therapy group.

[vorticon]

you  helped turn the tide by being able to supply us (as in the rest of the allies) with new troops...

remember...this history that is taught in america is different than that wich is taught in britain...or russia...

and dont forget...america is just over 200 years old...that puts it (in prespective to most other nations ages) right about in the middle of the rebelious teenager stage...


there we go...

and may i remind you

[Gadfly]

It would have been dicey, but we probably should have delcared War on the USSR at the same time as the Nazis.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by vorticon
you  helped turn the tide by being able to supply us (as in the rest of the allies) with new troops...

remember...this history that is taught in america is different than that wich is taught in britain...or russia...

and dont forget...america is just over 200 years old...that puts it (in prespective to most other nations ages) right about in the middle of the rebelious teenager stage...

Wathout, the rich kid will come and bully you for that

[GRUNHERZ]

The USA is older than most nation states in the world...

Name the countries in Europe today that have had 230 years of continous goverment and organization as a state?
 
And dont give me that superior sophisticated 0europe culture argument because thats one trud that doesnt float.

BTW

Fishu be quiet.

[10Bears]

You're a small man, 10bears. Crawl back into your hole.


SOB
I agree with my squaddie, Mr. wannabe Native American 10 fears.

You're so small you could sit on a dime and swing your legs.

And play handball on the curb.

Grow a pair or STFU.

Boy the vindictiveness on this board is beyond belief. SOB and Osage you guys just get back from a Jerry Springer taping? Good Jesus Louise!. I’m merely passing on a major story that’s making the rounds in Europe but not a peep from the U.S. press.

And so I was asking, why do you suppose it is that U.S. news editors would sit on a story written by a member of Tony Blair’s government that basically accuses the President of the United States of treason.

I did notice that neither of you addressed the content of the post but rather shot to the vindictive right away. Way to lose a debate.. if there was a debate, I was only asking a question.

10Bears lets stop jerking off here.


Yes/No Do you belive the US govt knowingly allowed sept 11 to happend?


Right now, do you belive that. YES or NO

Gurnhurz, I don’t believe anything. I look at the evidence. Let me give you an O.J. Simpson analogy. O.J. was acquitted of the murder of his wife Nicole and Ron Goldman. However, the vast majority of people believe there was sufficient evidence to convict Simpson of these crimes. Be that as it may, in our system of law the jury had a shadow of doubt and found him not guilty. I don’t know how that’s possible --size 12 Brudomalie shoe prints at the crime scene, a cut on O.J.’s finger on and on.

The people that would like me to believe their innocents are the same folks that according to three quarters of the world population think they lied about the pretext to war with Iraq. With this creditability problem, it’s up to brave journalists and investigators to find the truth of what really happened on 911.

I’ve got to wonder Grunhurz, if a video or audio tape emerged of Chaney and Bush and the other neocons plotting operation Northwoods in a smoky back room. Would you still be singing Bush’s praises?

As for SOB and Osage .. you two boys can come over and polish my shoes.

[_Schadenfreude_]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
The guy who wrote that is an idiot and I hope he commits suicide as well. However it would be my honor to torture and kill him.

Spoken like a true American sociopath....thought of running for political office?

[GRUNHERZ]

Schedenfreude I have commenntedc on that stement allready...

So Americans are now sociopaths.. OK Ill remember that..


10Bears thats not a major story anywhere, its not even a news article - its an opinion piece by a leftwinger well known to be unstable in a far left newspaper. In other words it's a joke.

You comments about looking for "evidence" remind me of holocaust deniers. Like they often do, you wont flat out say "Yes I belive in that controversial account" but you take every opportunity to bring in some idiotic bit of commentary that espoused that opinion because reading it and spreading it around make you feel better. And no I'm not saying youre a holocaust denier, just that you act like one with your own bias to beliving such trash as written in the article.

So its allready got a spooky name "Northwoods"...  

Yure a riot 10Bears... Lemme guess GWB let the terrorists train on Air Force One...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Name the countries in Europe today that have had 230 years of continous goverment and organization as a state?
 

How about
Sweden
Denmark
England
Spain
Portugal
Turkey
Hungary
Russia
France

In my country we have churches that were hundreds of years old when Columbus first set sail for the new world. Our first state formed around 1000 AD.

Sorry, but from a historical perspective the US nation is young indeed.

And as for the sophistication of our respective cultures. Take a patch of empty (well, not really empty, but lets ignore the native americans for now, even though they are the ones with the real culture and tradition over there) land. Fill it with 250 million immigrants from all over the world. Then tell me about the culture of that nation. Does it even have its own culture or is it just a big blurr of different cultures?

[SOB]

Vindictive?  Nope, I was just pointing out the obvious.  You're a sad individual.  You can try to play victim, but your post was hardly innocent.


SOB

[Glasses]

I like cheese

[GRUNHERZ]

Sweden Irellevant Country
Denmark Irrelevant Country
England - pretty good here IIRC WTG Brits./
Spain - Nope
Portugal - Prolly Not
Turkey - No way
Hungary - Nope
Russia - LOL Do we even have to discuss this?
France - No  How many revolutions? When did Napoleon rule? Is his form of govt still there? And yes I know of the code.

Just because peple have been living there doesnt mean the goverment has been continous and that they have been the same nation state. Those countries have had so much governmental and cultural upheaval that all of them are very young as of today - much younger as nations than america. Unless of course you think some old cathedrals are worth anything.  Yea tell me did the  Jews in the fine cultured German gas chambers take comfort in the fcat that Germany had beuitiful cathedrals? Itse irrelevant. If its just a matter of people loiving there than any inhabited part of the world can be said to be so old.

[Fishu]

Grunherz,

Perhaps the goverments arent under issue here, but what they've learned from international and national politics in the course of history etc. (nation wise.. the goverments changes more or less frequently everywhere, but the nations itself doesn't)
and if we go back by a couple centuries, I wouldn't say the swedes were irrelevant. (perhaps not the monarchy anymore, but they got their royals still )

[GRUNHERZ]

Originally posted by Fishu
Grunherz,

Perhaps the goverments arent under issue here, but what  they've learned from international and national politics during the history etc.
and if we go back by a couple centuries, I wouldn't say the swedes were irrelevant. (perhaps not the monarchy anymore, but they got their royals still )

But see none of that did them any good since Europe has been responsible for the two most devesatating wars of all time and of course founded both Fascism and Communism.  So it seems they have learned nothing.  What has europe been doing for 500 years, just one war after another.

And you cant turn that around and say something like:  "welll we have had all these terrible wars in europe and now we know that war is not the answer"

Why not? Well lets recall whats the first thing the French did after ww2?  They began their recolonizing wars all over the world. The brits too,  they even all ganged up on the egyptians in 56.

So really Fishu that whole "oh europe is so sophisticated" stuff is really shallow not to mention blatantly false.


Foe example look at the childish treaty terms imposed by the european powers on Germany at Versailles. All that time American President Wilson was pushing his 14 points and a message of reconciliation but the french ignored him. Youd think that such cultured people as the French with all their would understand that from  what "they've learned from international and national politics during the history" - but they didnt... They just had their barbaric terms and in a large part caused another war by getting the equally oh so cultured germans, oh beethooven, oh mozart and bach  and schiller and great big cathedrals, to accept Hitler.


The historical record fails to match the claim of cultural or moral or political or whatever higher level opf sophistication.

Its just a comforting excuse for an insecure continent unsure of itself after having to be rescued twice by a country and culture they love to love to love and love to hate.

[Fishu]

Somehow I get a feeling from Grunherz's speech as if no particularly big combats or slaughtering has happened in the north america.
Also sounds like US hasn't done anything at all to get the attention of terrorists...