I just don't get this?

[Staga]

Pyemia stay with us few weeks and you'll see why AH is so great  

[Hammerhead]

What does he mean "the map should be removeable" and "I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields". The map is minimizeable last time i checked....  

[Kieran]

The game is either for you or it isn't, as are all games. I don't know what support you can expect from people. I don't know who can convince you the gameplay, graphics, and flight model aren't as bad as you seem to already believe. As to the other features, you simply are going to have to spend more time learning about them before you comment.

In any event, the game isn't for everyone and it's your money, so do what you must either way. Don't construe that as a "Don't let the door hit you" type post- it isn't my place to tell anyone to leave. Just from a practical standpoint you will either like the game stability, playability, and frequent updates enough to hang around and learn the game or you won't. Nothing to get upset about, it isn't like you kicked my grandmother or anything.

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Kieran ]

[Skuzzy]

If you are serious, and I have no reason at this time to beleive you are not (other than what Westy said, which is a good point, by the way), post data showing where the FM is wrong.
Over the last couple of years, many, many people have done just that and have gotten positive results.  HTC has a reputation for updaing flight models when they are shown to be incorrect.
Stating an opinion about the FM will not get you anywhere.  Everyone has an opinion, but "seat of the pants" cannot in any way be turned into data that is useful.
Saying you do not understand why AH has a FPS hit others do not, can be true.
1) AH has to deal with 400+ players online, which translates into more overhead for network code.  WB3 has yet to achieve those numbers, so the verdict is an uknown at this point and IL2 does not have support for this many players, so again, the comparison is moot.
2) AH has more objects in the game than the either IL2 or WB3.  This, again, leads to more things to keep track of, and again adds more overhead.

Everyone that has been here for any period of time will atest to the fact that the FPS has dropped and each drop directly corresponds with more items being added to the game.  This is quite logical.

As far as graphics go, that is rather subjective.  I think HTC has done a pretty good job balancing all the complex elements in the game with the quality of graphics.
None of the flight sims you listed have been able to do all the things AH does, so it is difficult, if not impossible, to compare.
Once the other guys hit all the marks AH hits, then a viable comparison is in order.

Still curious who you were online though?

[TUCKO6]

***WHOOP!  WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP! WHOOP!
(that's supposed to be a siren sound, by the way)  SOMEONE GOT SOME BAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD CRACK, didn't they?    

this post HAS GOT TO BE a joke, right?!  puhleaseeeeeee tell me that it was meant as a joke...because if not...then i'm forced to come to the conclusion that the individual who authored the post (i won't drop any dimes here (bahahaha)) has got to be the most fubar'ed carbon based life form on the planet.

i could go on and on...but i won't.  all i can really say is, AFTER i wipe the tears from my eyes from laughing so hard, is dude...try something else rather than snorting draino, i can't handle this much laughter in one morning.      

The Tuckster

"The first time I ever saw a jet, I shot it down."
Col. Chuck Yeager, USAAF
   
 

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: TUCKO6 ]

[Wotan]

Pyemia there are no ah scores under this name.

please post your in game nic so what planes you like to fly so you can get some help.

 

Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and Air Warrior. In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable? I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. I find this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.

Why dont you do some research on the la7 and La5fn before you make any statement about how inferior they should be.

the 109 is one of the best plane sets in the game. If you are having trouble flying it then you need practice. A 202 will "out turn" a spit v but there are a lot of factors that determin whether a 202 in all circumstances will "out turn" or be "out turned" by any plane.

I fly both wbiii and ah whats different? Control delays in wbiii that makes the fm seem mushy compared to other games. FA or AW?
please......  

You really sound as if you dont know what your talking about. But if you need help then ask folks will help you.

However it seems you dont like ah so the best thing is to find something you do like and go there.

I dont really understand why you think we should care what your opinion of AH is. Its simple if you like it you play it...if ya dont move along.

 

Put on the helmet and flak jacket and use the shovel to dig yourself a fox-hole, then hold on tight. Cos the heavy artillery is INCOMING!!!  

Sit'n'SpinQuackingDuck you made it clear you dont wanna fly ah so please move along. Dont troll these boards making comments about a group of folks you are not apart of.

[dawvgriid]

you see PYE  
Dawvgrid

[FlyingDuckSittingSwan]

Pyemia, I wouldn't let the negative responses bother you. I started a near identical post to yours. The only difference was that mine was a bit more politically correct so as not to offend anyone because I knew beforehand how touchy they were in here.
The result is exactly the same. (God, some of the people on here are like scratchy old records). But don't let that get you down because you have to remember that most of those who moan on here are just grumpy old men, so it's nothing personal. You know how old men can get grumpy. Price of Viagra goes up...they moan. Price of incontinence nappies (diapers for you Americans) goes up...they moan. Wife shows more attention to the dog than them...they moan. It's raining...they moan. The wind doesn't blow in the direction they want...they moan. A fly just farted in their wine glass...they moan.
I'm sure you've come across these types of people before. If you haven't, just make your way to the nearest nursing home.
The best way to treat these moany old codgers is too laugh, smile and say "yes" all the time.

You'll see this post reach in the region of 90 replys and most of them saying bitter old geezer stuff like; "Don't let the door hit your bellybutton on the way out". Why? Simply because they like a good moan.

   

p.s. The more stars you have in your member rating, the bigger moaner you are.

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: FlyingDuckSittingSwan ]

[Kieran]

FDSS, don't make me do a barrel-roll or split-S on ya...  

[AKDejaVu]

Although I can see that the programmers have tried their best to incorporate many of the winning elements of WW2ONLINE and Warbirds / Air Warrior I feel they have fallen short of the mark.

You will see many similarities between WW2Online, warbirds and AH.  Afterall, many of the same people worked on all of them.

The one thing you might want to know is AH came out well before WW2Online... kinda hard to steal much from that game.  Air Warrior has been so different for so long that the comparison there is simply silly.

 

Firstly I have found a lack of cohesiveness. The primary elements do not meld into a single immersive game but seem to float like so much flotsom, never really bridging into each other but rather, glaringly opposing each other like medievil knights. This is frighteningly obviously when one consideres the bomber / fighter or fighter bomber / vehicle elements.

This is actually a fair assessment.  But I challenge you to find an on-line real play only game that does not do this.  There is not one.  Not AH, not WBx, not WW2OL.

 

Secondly the graphics while at first seemingly passable begin to wear at the seams the longer one studies them. In a pixel by pixel comparison with games like Air Warrior / Fighter Ace / Warbirds, the latter games FPS are much higher while still providing superior graphics engines and in this authors opinion, a much improved and pleasant interface.

LOL!  Do you use your hands to move your asscheeks when you say things like this?

 

Thirdly, the gameplay? where is it?

Its in something called the MA.  You really should give that a try before posting.

 

Fourth - The flight models seem very simplistic compared with games like IL2, FA, and even Warbirds and Air Warrior. In many cases an AH aircraft will perform amazing manuevers while another will seriously underperform to the point which make its unflyable? I give you the Macchi 202 vs the Spitfire V. In real life the Macchi had a hugely acute turning advantage over the Spitfire V. I find this is not modeled in Aces High. Similarly the BF 109 series being defeated constantly by the LaGG series of aircraft is horrendously laughable.

Wew... glad you showed up.  Until now, nobody in this community really had any idea what the performance of any of these aircraft were.  I can only hope Pyro is reading this and knows exactly what FMs to change to make your life happier in the MA.

 

Finally I think sounds should be customizable and the map while providing useful information should be removable. I'm sure WW2 pilots didn't fly around with a large map placed on their windshields.

Sounds are customizable.  Usefull data?  I find that an ironic term.  Do you suppose WW2 pilots received usefull data from somewhere?

 

All in all I give Aces High a score of 3 out of 10. I would like to know why I should pay my 15 hard earned dollars for this program.

Are you asking people to talk you into staying?

 

Perhaps the community here is good, all i've seen so far however is a lot of whining and childish namecalling.

Ah... irony once again.

 

My first thought when meeting someone new: "what have they got that I can take away from them?"

Sounds like a personal problem to me.  Maybe therapy would help?

 

Airspro, I have no intention of dragging you into a flame war. I am merely interested in some positive feedback from current playing members of the Aces High community. Are you saying that there is no merit to my observations and if so, please clarify.

POSSITIVE FEEDBACK?  A) Where do you ask for feedback.  B) Why would you even remotely expect it to be possitive?  "Excuse me while I insult the programmers, the game and the community... please... possitive feedback only."

I must say, I find you inability to substantiate a single thing quite humorous.  Hell... you don't even show that you've actually played the game.

AKDejaVu

[Vermillion]

Don't you guys see this is a blatant troll ?

[AKDejaVu]

Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly. I can assure you the AXIS planes are undermodeled whilst the Allied planes seem to be triple water injected, TnB demons.

ROTFLMAO! If that doesn't explain everything...

AKDejaVu

[K West]

"(God, some of the people on here are like scratchy old records)."

 Where as it seems the AH ubb and community is getting an unexpected and unwarranted weekly visit from a member of the WWII-aviation ignorant, flight-physics challenged and social skills inept troll crowd these days.

 And yes   What Vermillion said. 100%.

 But doesn't it feel nice to degrade and textual abuse someone when they ask so badly for it?  

 Westy

[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

[Kieran]

Of course I do- but I will always try a reasonable response first. Personally I suspect FSDD of creating a new BBS personna and starting the process again. The message is remarkably similar (I am an experienced flight sim pilot, and I can get the best out of any plane in any sim in five minutes flat) to his introductory visit here...

[Flossy]

Originally posted by Pyemia:
Yes I realise this but once removed you are unabled to keep a situational track on bandits.  In RL you would be able to obtain updates via the radio and thru wingmen.

Oh dear, you need a map to do that?  Ever tried looking around the outside of your aircraft - it's called Situational Awareness!      Yeah the map shows where the bandits are - but it doesn't show what altitude they are at - you need to use your own eyes and look around!  Also there are plenty of radio channels to communicate on, and if you cooperate with other players they would be only too pleased to keep you updated!

 

Being an experienced virtual fighter pilot (almost exclusively AXIS fighters) I can tell very quickly whether a particular FM is modeled correctly.

Ah, of course, you are an experienced virtual fighter pilot! - but what experience do you have of real fighter aircraft - particularly AXIS - that gives you such great knowledge of the FM?  How many have you flown in real life to be able to make comparisons?

 

Apologies for this one. I have only just obtained the online documentation.

Well at least you had the grace to apologise for that - but obtaining the online documentation might have been a better idea before commenting on them in here.

 

As far as I can tell there is no information on Scenario's available to date, so I can't comment.  

I don't know how long you have been playing, but over the last few weeks we have been registering and preparing for a Scenario (Bigweek) due to start next weekend.  Maybe you should try looking in some of the other message boards here.

 

As far as whats missing:

1) There are no missions available at all.  When I insisted that my country start a mission I was made fun of and generally told to shut up.

When you insisted???  ROFLMAO!  I'm not surprised you got told to shut up!  One thing you should learn in this game is that you do not insist on anything from your team-mates.  If you want a mission, try creating one yourself and inviting others to join it... if some do join and enjoy it, they will soon spread the word that [insertGameIDhere] does good missions, and more will join your missions in future.  But trying to force people into missions is not on.

 

2) Bombers are useless.  I flew almost 1 1/2 hours, obtained a altitude of 35000 ft and dropped a stick of 14 bombs on a base.  When I returned later the base was fully repaired.  In addition to this bombers seem to be killed extremely easily.

While I agree that bombers are killed far too easily, I would not say they are useless.  However, what you seem to be complaining about is the fact that a base was fully repaired when you returned - this is because of the extensive strat system.  Rather than just hitting a base, you need to hit the various depots/factories etc which supply the base to prevent it being repaired so quickly.  Learn more about strat and how hitting those targets can affect gameplay rather than complaining!

 

3)There seems to be no organization at all, everybody fly's around firing stupidly without any sort of strategic objective.

Everyone plays the game as they wish.  If we want to join together to hit a field, we do.... if however, somebody wants to do their own think, that is up to them.  Like any game, the level of team cooperation changes as various people log on and off.

 

4) There doesn't seem to be any sort of forward bullet deflection which was used to great success any other great online flight sims.  This makes front quarter attacks more frequent and probably even encourages them.

OK so we have head-on capability.... that's how this game is and it really doesn't bother me.... I die whatever direction the enemy is hitting me from.    


May I suggest you read up a bit more about the game before condemning it like that?  Try looking through the help files and I am sure you will eventually realise just how great this game is.

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[ 12-01-2001: Message edited by: Flossy ]