Oh RIAA your always good for a laugh.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Hortlund
FOR F***S SAKE

Get this into your heads. Downloading music from the internet is not stealing. It could be some other crime, but it is not stealing. How hard can that be for you  to understand?

"Copyrighted"

[Dnil]

judge not, less ye be judged.


I know some folks here preaching about how bad this is.  Yet break laws themselves.


And, what is up with cats and dogs sleeping together in this thread.  Like the twilight zone.


My take....I pick and choose which laws to break or bend daily.  I can have an opinion but will not look down on burning the music.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Dnil
judge not, less ye be judged.


I know some folks here preaching about how bad this is.  Yet break laws themselves.


And, what is up with cats and dogs sleeping together in this thread.  Like the twilight zone.


My take....I pick and choose which laws to break or bend daily.  I can have an opinion but will not look down on burning the music.

I hope you're not talking about me (see my first post, key word= "too")

[gofaster]

Originally posted by miko2d
"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres.

 Stealing is illegal.


Frogm4n: They need to be accountable for pushing nothing but crappy music on us for close to a decade.

 How exactly did thay push anything on you that you did not want to buy?

Most logical statements you've written yet.  I agree fully.  If you don't like the music, don't pay for it.

Maybe if people paid for good music, there would be more good music out there.

Local bands gigs are being replaced with dance club soundtracks and (for awhile anyway) kareoke machines.  Bands like REM that made it big doing the college bars may be a thing of the past.  Downloading/file swapping music is just another cannon ball below the waterline.

"I got really scared. My stomach is all turning," Brianna said last night at the city Housing Authority apartment where she lives with her mom and her 9-year-old brother.

I'm not a New Yorker so I may be wrong, but isn't the Housing Authority a public housing program for poverty-level tenants?  What's with the $30-a-month Kazaa subscription?

[Mini D]

There you go dnil.  And that would aply if the RIAA were going after the casual user.  Seems they're targetting the heavy users.

It's not a matter of casting stones, it's a matter of backing a dump-truck up to the mob and supplying them.

MiniD

[Eagler]

you'd think they (the copyright police) would be more worried about software costing in the 100's and thousands of $$$ you can download and use free of charge than a $19 music cd

hope the music industry chokes on every penny then get out of these lawsuits - its crap

[Ripsnort]

I know file sharing can hurt a wide spectrum of the music industry.  Take my brother-in-law for instance... He's a small business owner of a record/CD store. Sales have slumped in the past few years due to file sharing.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Eagler
you'd think they (the copyright police) would be more worried about software costing in the 100's and thousands of $$$ you can download and use free of charge than a $19 music cd
 

They've been fighting software piracy for years, usually by requiring the original cd media before running the software.  That's why you see so many kids requesting the "CD crack" codes a day or so after a new game is released.

[miko2d]

Hortlund: Yeah, but downloading mp3s from kazaa is not stealing.

 In that case the girl's family has nothing to fear. The court will surely not convict them of there was no crime in her actions.

 I though copying copyrighted material was illegal and considered theft of intellectual property in US but I may be wrong in this case.


Boroda: IMHO it's not fair that I have to pay some @#$$%% who made CCR work for food instead of giving money to people who actually made that great music.

 There is no useable definition to the word "fair" other than "abiding by the contract that was entered voluntarily". Those guys sold their property. They cannot sell it again.
 You can buy it from the legal owner now.

 Often the artist are content with the economic role of a laborer preferring not to act in a function of an entrepreneur - thus allowing an entrepreuner to take on the risks - and rewards - of a venture. If the entrepreneur goes bust and wastes the investor's money, fine. In rare cases when the music earns a lot of money, the artists may have second thoughts but whatever choices they have made are final.

 It is certanly not illegal for you to send the artists whatever amount of money you want as a donation or a gift.


Eagler: you'd think they (the copyright police) would be more worried about software costing in the 100's and thousands of $$$ you can download and use free of charge than a $19 music cd

 You seem to be very confused here.
 There is no "copyright police" involved. Music companies - the owners of the property being stolen - are suing the alleged thiefs. Since the property that was stolen from those owners is music, that's what they are suing about.

 If the software companies are concerned about their property being stolen, they are free to sue the thiefs regardless of the action of the RIAA or anyone else.

 miko

[miko2d]

By the way, there is a great debate among libertatian philosophers whether the concept of intellectual property should be recognised.

 It is a serious matter - because enforcing the property right involves use of force/coercion and libertarians are extremely cautious about giving anyone (the state) a right to use force.

 Unlike physical property, the intellectual property is not "scarce". By taking someone's intellectual property you do not preclude him/her from continuing to own/use it.


 Anyway, the intelectual property as well any other kind of proplerty is just a social concept and once legally established, the owners have a right to demand it enforced.
 The RIAA claims the plaintiffs broke the laws. The court will decide if that is the case, however young or qute the alleged thiefs are.

 miko

[udet]

**** the artists. they're a bunch of greedy overhyped obnoxious retarded knuckleheads.
Except for Christina Aguilera and Britney Spears. They're just potatos

[Maniac]

Really...

Why should the Music artists and the record companys earn so much?

One day, being an music artist will become "djust another job", like being an carpenter...

Same for the "hollywood stars" they make millions and millions over periods of six months... Why should they earn so much?

CGI actors will take care of this

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by miko2d
In that case the girl's family has nothing to fear. The court will surely not convict them of there was no crime in her actions.

 I though copying copyrighted material was illegal and considered theft of intellectual property in US but I may be wrong in this case.

Well, actually what I think is happening here is that you (and others) fail to understand the difference between theft and copyright violation.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by gofaster
That's why you see so many kids requesting the "CD crack" codes a day or so after a new game is released.

Most "kids" don't even know what a CD crack is, or what it does.

Most adults (18-whatever) have a very good understanding of computers and how to crack software - hence, THEY are the ones asking for the CD cracks.
-SW

[gofaster]

Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Most "kids" don't even know what a CD crack is, or what it does.

Most adults (18-whatever) have a very good understanding of computers and how to crack software - hence, THEY are the ones asking for the CD cracks.
-SW

Or the adults doing the cracking and the kids trying to make them work.