Author Topic: "do Not Call" List Judge's Phone Number: 405/609-5000 (Read 1293 times)

LePaul · « **Reply #30 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:38:54 AM »

....amazing

Last night, while waiting for a friend to arrive, I was killing time watching Dan Rather butcher the evening news. Instead of everyone being outraged that we'll still have telemarketers hassling us...CBS News went to great pains to get the boohoo effect...interviewing [grossly] overweight telemarketers who would be out a job if the no call list went into effect.

Leave it to Dan Rather to completely miss the point of view we and others have about telemarketers. I could care less about their emplyment...stop calling us! Respect our wishes!

I mean...ugh...this is just *stooppppid* !

Eagler · « **Reply #31 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:42:14 AM »

anyone find his email address?

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #32 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:46:48 AM »

Whoa, miko! Hold on there!

I don't think calls will "force the judge to fall in line"; I hope they will make him reconsider his ruling and stay it. Also, the number I gave is the main number at the courthouse, not his home number. I have no intention of making his family suffer any more than they already are by having 50,000,000 fellow citizens being really pissed off at their dad/husband!

MRPLUTO

MRPLUTO · « **Reply #33 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:51:37 AM »

Leslie,

You're right, sometimes it does pay to listen. That's why one can't just hang up at first--you have to make sure it's not a legit call. I'll admit one time I started to get angry at someone who called because the way the call started it sounded like another annoying telemarketer. But the call turned out to be wanted, and I had to apologize.

MRPLUTO

Barney Fife · « **Reply #34 on:** September 25, 2003, 08:57:25 AM »

So did any of you actually call him?

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #35 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:01:40 AM »

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Originally posted by MRPLUTO
"It's not the what, it's the how", you said. Is it wrong to call and voice one's disapproval? But would it be okay to call and say, "Way to go! Good decision, Judge West!"?

Stop being obtuse. It's painfully obvious that the point of this thread was to generate overwhelming call volumes to the judge for the purposes of giving him a taste of his own medicine. Why else would you urge that everyone call "every 20 minutes" when just once would suffice?

-- Todd/Leviathn

Trell · « **Reply #36 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:06:24 AM »

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Originally posted by SaRCaP
Does the telemarketers pay for my phonebill? No.
They act like they have a right to call me..They do not
the do not call likst was a excelent idea and it should stay intact..bottom line is..you pay for your own phone and if you dont want to hear someone trying to sell you something thats your right.

Someone give me your address ill get something to sell and come knocking on your door..dont answer..ill stay there and keep knocking till you do and hear my sales pitch..samething with phones...

lol
well i pay for my cable
I DONT WANT TO SEE A SINGLE AD ON TV!!!

Now tell me just how much money is it costing you to recieve these calls?

(btw i do think that cell phones should be banded from getting advertising calls. but only becasue it costs you money to answer.)

SOB · « **Reply #37 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:19:34 AM »

Your comparison between your telephone and your cable service doesn't wash. Last I checked your TV doesn't turn on randomly and start trying to sell you stuff. If some loose their jobs because they are no longer allowed to make unwanted calls to someone's home, then boo hoo. Why do you feel the telemarketers should have the right to bother someone at their home when they don't want to be bothered?

In regard to mobile phones...I don't know if it's because of restraint by telemarketing companies (i doubt it, some couldn't care less about you) or because your mobile # isn't published in any directory, but since I dropped landline service in 2001, I haven't had one unsolicited telemarketing call.

Rude · « **Reply #38 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:38:45 AM »

I want the government to protect me from these bad folks.

BTW, that hangin up when they call thingie wouldn't be polite.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #39 on:** September 25, 2003, 09:47:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
I want the government to protect me from these bad folks.

Whatever happened to the heady days where government was the problem and not the solution?

-- Todd/Leviathn

miko2d · « **Reply #40 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:00:27 AM »

MRPLUTO: I don't think calls will "force the judge to fall in line"; I hope they will make him reconsider his ruling and stay it.

A judge/court is not supposed to to create a policy, solve a problem or make anyone happy. The only function of a judge is to interpret the existing law.

According to his (and mine) understanding of the US Constitution, a federal agency (or even the Congress) just does not have the power to outlaw telemarketing.
If he is right, the regulation is illegal. "Reconsidering his ruling" would be a violation of his duty.

Also, the number I gave is the main number at the courthouse, not his home number.

That was not clear from your post. I guess his family life would not be disrupted. It's the employees of the courthouse and especially the people trying to use the services of the courthouse who will suffer because one of their phone lines is disabled.
It makes as much sense as punishing NYC mayor by blocking the street or brige that I use to drive to work, so thousands of innocent people suffer hours in traffic.

having 50,000,000 fellow citizens being really pissed off...

Half of US citizens are always pissed off about the other half and would like to shut them up. Does not mean a judge should validate a law that violates the Constitutional freedom of speech of the freedom of the press, etc.

Believe me, once the last vestiges of the Constitution are abandoned in US, you will have much bigger problems to worry about than telemarketers calls.
I did not have any problems with telemarketers or intrusive advertising in the Soviet Union.

By the way - the "Do not call" list will work almost as well without the government unconstitutional enforcement as with it. The telemarketers are not trying to harass you. They are trying to make a living by selling you stuff. Unlike e-mail, a phone call and human time are not free.
Instead of "Do not call" list, just treat it as "The list of people who will buy absolutely nothing over the phone".

Trell: Now tell me just how much money is it costing you to recieve these calls?

Not a valid argument. Time is valuable. The fact that he engages in leisure time rather than work means he values it higher than the reward he gets for working - that is if the call does not distract him from actual work. He is loosing value at least equal to his after-tax wage rate. So the loss is quite real.
Does not mean the government has the right to protect us from it but ignoring it is not correct either.

miko

Rude · « **Reply #41 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:03:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Whatever happened to the heady days where government was the problem and not the solution?

-- Todd/Leviathn

You're supposed to recognize my sharp witted sarcasm...maybe I should start using those cute little smiley thingies.

Trust me...I read these boards and wonder what in the world some of these people are thinking and what in thier lives brought them to that same place.

Nothing in my life that was worthwhile or that was the right thing to do, came easy. A large part of the reward, is in the sacrifice. IMO, the goverment should protect our nation from foreign threat and provide an enviroment where all Americans have an opportunity to prosper in relation to the personal effort expended by the same....not prop us up at the cost of destroying drive and ambition along with the hard work necessary to achieve success.

As far as I'm concerned, if I get solicited at home, I'll just hang up or use this wonderful feature my local phone company provides....call blocker.

I have a fairly large tenant who is a call center....this legislation has hurt them and in turn will hurt my cashflow....all because some folks can't deal with a phone call....kinda silly me thinks.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #42 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:24:24 AM »

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Originally posted by Rude
You're supposed to recognize my sharp witted sarcasm...maybe I should start using those cute little smiley thingies.

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I know... I was complementing your post, not attacking it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #43 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:31:39 AM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
According to his (and mine) understanding of the US Constitution, a federal agency (or even the Congress) just does not have the power to outlaw telemarketing.

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If telemarketers call you from out of state, the chances are very good that the Interstate Commerce Clause of the constitution empowers Congress to regulate. My understanding is that the judge's ruling was much more narrow than what you're indicating here, arguing that the FTC's administrative mandate did not include jurisdiction over telemarketing. Instead, such jurisdiction fell under the FCC which had not issued "Do Not Call" regulations.

So really it's a technicality rather than a constitutional crisis. Few seem to doubt that Congress can regulate telemarketing (whether or not you normatively agree with that fact), but Congress must pass technically correct legislation in order pass muster in the courts.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Leslie · « **Reply #44 on:** September 25, 2003, 10:43:40 AM »

Lately, one of the telemarketers' techniques has been to ask me which credit card I want to use to activate my account..when I haven't gotten a word in edgewise. I tell them to mail me the information, and I will think about their proposal. They won't do that. They say, to get mailed info, I have to be signed up first.

They actually expect me to give my credit card number over the phone to someone who calls out of the blue, wanting to sell me something I already told them I wasn't interested in.

What the hell is this? I was thinking about posting something about it a while back, but said, nawwww. In your opinion, since we're talking about the subject, is this something that should be reported to the bunko squad? Or is it sop nowadays, for telemarketing companies to be this agressive?

Les