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« on: October 03, 2003, 07:11:47 PM »
NOT!

"ATLANTA (Reuters) - A report published by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday found no conclusive evidence that gun control laws help prevent violent crime, suicides or accidental injuries in the United States."


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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2003, 07:13:03 PM »
This is news?!

That headline is about as obvious as "War on Drugs lowers drug use"

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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2003, 07:19:54 PM »
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2003, 07:34:54 PM »
swims up to this lure for a second time

no need to sniff

...swims away
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountain that is pouring like an avalanche coming down the mountain

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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2003, 11:43:00 PM »
Guess you guys just like to shoot each others :(



Chart is from our National Bureau of Investigations, US numbers taken from this thread.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2003, 11:46:06 PM by Staga »

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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2003, 11:47:19 PM »
And did it say how many of those were by firearm?

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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2003, 11:55:00 PM »
btw numbers in that chart are showing all violent deaths exept in US which is only gun related.
After I saw the numbers from other scandinavian countries and compared them to Finnish numbers I thought we're screwed but after I added US numbers... Well it's still pretty good in here.

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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2003, 11:56:29 PM »
Dune I couldn't find numbers for firearm kills; Only all kills.

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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2003, 12:13:50 AM »
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Dune I couldn't find numbers for firearm kills; Only all kills.


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The nation's violent crime rate (the number of crimes per 100,000 population) has declined every year since 1991 and is now at a 22-year low. And murder is at a 35-year low. (FBI, http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm) The trends include the following highlights:

Since 1991, the nation's violent crime rates have all decreased substantially. Total violent crime (the aggregate of murder and non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault), has decreased 33.2%; murder and non-negligent manslaughter has decreased 43.7%; rape has decreased 24.2%; robbery has decreased 46.9%; and aggravated assault has decreased 25.3%.
National violent crime rates in 2000 were the lowest in years. Total violent crime, the lowest since 1978; murder, the lowest since 1965; rape, the lowest since 1978; robbery, the lowest since 1968; and aggravated assault, the lowest since 1985.
Further demonstrating the irrelevance of "gun control" to crime rates, between 1991 (when violent crime started declining nationally) and 2000, states that had the greatest decreases in violent crime generally, and in murder in particular, included both those that have some of the nation's least restrictive gun laws (such as Texas, Alabama, South Carolina, and West Virginia) and those that have some of the most restrictive (such as California, New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut).
In 2000, as in previous years, firearms were used in less than one-fourth of violent crimes. Most violent crimes were committed with hands and feet (32%), blunt objects and other weapons (28%), and knives (15%).
In 2000, states that had Right-to-Carry laws had lower violent crime rates on average, compared to the rest of the country. Their total violent crime rate was 21.9% lower, murder was 28.4% lower, robbery was 37.7% lower, and aggravated assault was 16.5% lower. (Rape, the violent crime least likely to involve firearms, was 0.8% higher.)
The only states that experienced increases in their murder rates between 1991 (when violent crime began declining) and 2000 were Rhode Island (16%), Nebraska (12%), Kansas (3%), and Minnesota (3%), all of which still do not have Right-to-Carry laws.


At the same time the crime rate and the overall murder rate has reached a 22-year low, privately owned firearms increased in the U.S. by an average of 5.3 million per year during the 1990s. (BATF)

Privately owned firearms in the U.S.: Well over 200 million, including 65-70 million handguns

Gun owners in the U.S.: 60-65 million; 30-35 million own handguns

American households that have firearms: Approx. 45%

Hunters nationwide: 14 million (16 yrs. of age and older)

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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2003, 12:28:47 AM »
The leading cause of death in the U.S. between ages 6 and 27 yrs old is automobile accidents.

Some other interesting data here (1998)


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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2003, 12:38:26 AM »
20,000 deaths from DRUGS?

Obviously, we need more laws about drugs. Special background checks when you go to purchase drugs, stuff like that. No drugs within certain distances of schools, registration of/serial numbers on ALL drugs, no exceptions. No drug dealing except by registered pharmacists.


Oh..... wait........


Nevermind.

WAIT! I got it... make ALL drugs illegal and have a grace period when you can turn them in.

Then, if you can PROVE you need a drug, you can go to a registerd pharmacy and they'll give you one dose and keep the rest of your prescription locked up until you're due to come back for another dose.

Yah.. that's the ticket.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2003, 02:17:36 AM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
The leading cause of death in the U.S. between ages 6 and 27 yrs old is automobile accidents.

Some other interesting data here (1998)





Great... 500,000 killed by alcohol and cigarettes and 20,000 from illicit drugs.


The drug war isn't worth the cost.
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2003, 02:19:51 AM »
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At the same time the crime rate and the overall murder rate has reached a 22-year low, privately owned firearms increased in the U.S. by an average of 5.3 million per year during the 1990s. (BATF)

Privately owned firearms in the U.S.: Well over 200 million, including 65-70 million handguns

Gun owners in the U.S.: 60-65 million; 30-35 million own handguns

American households that have firearms: Approx. 45%

Hunters nationwide: 14 million (16 yrs. of age and older)



It's been awhile since I looked at the numbers, but IIRC, all increases and decreases (per capita) of violent crimes committed by teenagers were gun related. Still... it's lower than it's ever been.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2003, 09:19:25 AM »
I think most of the suicide and homicide deaths for firearms should be listed under drugs.

Toad has a good idea... if we ban drugs and don't allow em at schools and stuff they will be harder to get and the drug problems will go away.

It's all so confusing.   Where is mike moore when we need him?
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2003, 09:24:52 AM »
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I think most of the suicide and homicide deaths for firearms should be listed under drugs.



There is such a thing as "clinical depression".
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