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« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2003, 01:42:29 PM »
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Please tell me why my country pays all the debts of USSR and Russian Empire, I mean ALL the debts, including some that are more then 100 years old, and pays it alone, without any debts left for former parts of Russian Empire or Soviet republics?... Including all the debts made by Czars, "evil communists" and traitors or Western puppets like Gorbachov?...

Nice American logics: we have to pay everything to you, and we have to forgive Iraqi debts, because they can't pay, because some big guy decided it's a good idea to invade and mess up the whole Iraqi economics?... How about "forgiving" all Russian debts? You have won the Cold war, didn't you?


Hmmm last I heard the money "loaned " to you from the US was what you "tried" to use to "pay" your debts......BTW "you" still owe from WWII so pay up.........

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« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2003, 01:53:15 PM »
A few more arrests and they'll have their debt paid off.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7261-9.cfm

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« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2003, 02:00:46 PM »
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As what goes with your idea of U.S. saving the world with the marshall plan, as in the recent article posted in another thread, finland is a good example of surviving without a dime of marshall money - and paying the war retributions in full while doing so.

 

I was going to tell you about my Great Uncle Emil---your Great Great
Uncle---  my grandfather, William Odella's brother

I write to his daughter, Gertrude, who lives in Finland.  They lived in
Clinton, Massachusetts, and around 1935 or so, there was great wave by the
communists to have U. S. people come over there (Karelia) to make the "great
society."  I guess that was a society where everyone prospered.  Bless his
heart, My great uncle Emil fell for it.  As I have read from books
recommended by Gertrude, the people sold everything they had and used the
money to get to Karelia and I guess whoever got the money, kept some of it.

The Finns, Swedes, etc. who returned were not unusual people, but people
with trade skills.  They built brick houses where there was no lumber by
making brick, they had engineers who put in electricity and built dams, etc.
I think you get the idea.  Stalin was in charge, a horrible maniacal despot,
probably worse than Hitler because he caused the deaths of more people.  The
Finns and Scandinavians built up an area better than what the Russians
had... What was their thank you.  The purge!!!!!  For no reason really,
except maybe they had come from America and whatever stupid reason someone
like Stalin needs to use, the purge began.  People were taken in the middle
of the night and they disappeared.  This happened over and over and over
again, and it didn't matter who was taken, fathers, mothers, sons,
daughters, etc.  On my first Christmas Eve, December 24, 1937, they came for
Great Uncle Emil.  What for? God knows.

My heart breaks for him because he had no idea of what he was getting into
as he and the others were not Communist because at that time they didn't
even know what it meant.

Gertrude tells me they eventually got a death certificate saying he died of
gangrene.  When Khrushchev took over, they finally got a death certificate
saying that he was shot in February of 1938.  She wrote me that she wondered
if he got gangrene before or after he was shot.  The reason my heart breaks
for a great uncle I never knew is that I feel how terrible he must have felt
knowing he brought his family into this - a wife, a daughter, a son.

This was the purge.  Gertrude tells me the story is the same for everyone.
I had to order the books she recommended from Superior, Wisconsin, which
were written by a woman she knows who as a child was taken to Karelia by her
father and all of the fates of these poor people was basically the same.

This was sent to me by my cousin Gerri not long ago when we started putting together our family history..

The Finns have always paid their debts--I know because my grandfather sent money back to the "old country" to help pay this off-----so a lot of the money didnt come from Finland itself, it came from Finns living in countrys (USA) that allowed them the chance to repay the debt......

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« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2003, 03:14:23 PM »
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This is a good point.

Aren't you tired of somebody always telling you that Europe was "saved from communism" by their assistance?... If there was no USSR - Americans had to invent it. It was a good reason for blackmailing Europe for almost 50 years.



:rofl :rofl

dude you really have no grasp on reality do you?

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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2003, 03:59:04 PM »
Skuzzyyy we NEED a political forum...

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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2003, 11:16:12 AM »
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A few more arrests and they'll have their debt paid off.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/7261-9.cfm


That guy is accused of theft.

Thievs must be placed to jail.

Do you disagree?

The whole Yukos affair is only a media hype to protect "big business". Hodarkovsky will face a jury, and if he's not guilty - they'll release him.

I find it funny, how "liberal" right "democratic" media protects thievs and fights for "human rights" for terrorists. Even more funny is that Hodarkovsky himself said that he'll face the justice and will not run away like Berezovsky, who is a "political refugee" in the UK now, "political accusations" are stealing 2000 cars from VAZ. Next "refugee" can be a well-known terrorist Zakayev. WTG. :mad:

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« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2003, 11:28:28 AM »
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:rofl :rofl

dude you really have no grasp on reality do you?


I don't think Europeans were happy having B-52s cruising over their heads 24/7, each carrying 5 hydrogen bombs, and sometimes dropping them down on their villages.

Udie, NATO has proven that it's an agressive block, aimed at Eastern Europe/USSR/Russia, not defencive but agressive. Our attempts to defend lasted for 50 years, but we failed - and you can see the result.

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« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2003, 11:28:56 AM »
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That guy is accused of theft.

Thievs must be placed to jail.

Do you disagree?

The whole Yukos affair is only a media hype to protect "big business". Hodarkovsky will face a jury, and if he's not guilty - they'll release him.

I find it funny, how "liberal" right "democratic" media protects thievs and fights for "human rights" for terrorists. Even more funny is that Hodarkovsky himself said that he'll face the justice and will not run away like Berezovsky, who is a "political refugee" in the UK now, "political accusations" are stealing 2000 cars from VAZ. Next "refugee" can be a well-known terrorist Zakayev. WTG. :mad:


You're right.  The Putin regime hasn't targeted the Russia's anti-putin oligarchs and confiscated their wealth to fund their administrations.

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« Reply #38 on: October 28, 2003, 11:36:25 AM »
Am just curious Martlet..please take no offense, but how many bumper stickers are on your car?

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« Reply #39 on: October 28, 2003, 11:39:54 AM »
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I don't think Europeans were happy having B-52s cruising over their heads 24/7, each carrying 5 hydrogen bombs, and sometimes dropping them down on their villages.

Udie, NATO has proven that it's an agressive block, aimed at Eastern Europe/USSR/Russia, not defencive but agressive. Our attempts to defend lasted for 50 years, but we failed - and you can see the result.


I guess I've seen everything now. A Soviet claiming to be the victim. :rolleyes:
Here we put salt on Margaritas, not sidewalks.

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« Reply #40 on: October 28, 2003, 11:44:11 AM »
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You're right.  The Putin regime hasn't targeted the Russia's anti-putin oligarchs and confiscated their wealth to fund their administrations.


Yes, it is so.

Unfortunately, they didn't confiscate a single bit of stolen property. I mean of property that is proven to be stolen. In Lebedev/Hodarkovsky's case it's a mining factory at Kola peninsulla. When they "privatized" this factory they had to invest $250M into social programms, but they just forgot to do it (nice, not investing into their own property), and kept on "milking" it.

Unfortunately again, all this Yukos case started only because elections are coming... :(

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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2003, 11:44:13 AM »
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Am just curious Martlet..please take no offense, but how many bumper stickers are on your car?


I have a AAA sticker on the jag, and an American flag on the bimmer.

That's it.  Is that your side gig?  selling bumper stickers online?  Sorry, not interested.

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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2003, 11:54:15 AM »
Rofl ...nope not a sticker salesman but judgeing by all your signatures I was just curious if you were one of those people who felt some need to plaster all of their philosophies on the back of their car.

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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2003, 12:02:12 PM »
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I guess I've seen everything now. A Soviet claiming to be the victim. :rolleyes:


It's not as funny as an American saying he is afraid of Russian invasion.

How many times continental US have been invaded? Now compare it to Russian experience in last 1000 years (since we adopted Christianity) and think if we have to believe in peacefull intentions of our Western neighbours.

BTW, can someone finaly explain me why NATO needs bases in Estonia and builds long-range radars there, that can cover all the airspace of North-Western Russia? Maybe they built it against Finland?...:confused:

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« Reply #44 on: October 28, 2003, 12:15:02 PM »
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I don't think Europeans were happy having B-52s cruising over their heads 24/7, each carrying 5 hydrogen bombs, and sometimes dropping them down on their villages.

Udie, NATO has proven that it's an agressive block, aimed at Eastern Europe/USSR/Russia, not defencive but agressive. Our attempts to defend lasted for 50 years, but we failed - and you can see the result.



:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl


oh man you are classic.