bring back the old buff bombsite

[Citabria]

as they are buffs are not a threat in the MA.

they need better gun convergence system ai gunners or a instantly ready bombsite


maybe make it an option for the buffs. we already know that jabos can prok fuel ad nauseum and hangars only stay down 15 minutes.

i watched a raid by bishops consisiting of almost 150 b17s hit hq and only one plane hit ti and they hit it by divebombingthe damn thing.

the reason they all missed is because they were covered in fighters trying to defend themselves and couldnt take a 2 minute break to calibrate.

so keep the current bombsite as an option and the old bombsite as an option as well.

because i would like to see more buffs in the MA.

[Citabria]

better yet make it somthing that can be automatic. on the bomb run is no place to be defenseless unless your milkrunning or at 30k.

[Citabria]

further thought...

compromise:

old version bombsite with no zoom capability


new version bombsite with full zoom capability.

then you get the high alt guys who will take the added difficulty of the zoom norden so they can fly high and bomb...


and youhave the buffs that fly lower with nonzoom instant accuracy bombsight that can be ready immediately to drop on target because those buffs at med to low alt dont have time to kill fighters and do complex bomb calculations.

[BGBMAW]

nooooooo

this bomsite is fine...



no lazer bomers needed..

and if they want protection as you pionted out on tht Bish HQ raid...they can get gunners onboard so they can do there drop...


complex bom calculations???

wtf are u doing in tht thing?

so holding a markpoint for a min of 3 seconds complex?

wow fester..i am somewhat amzed u writing this..

i knwo u have said same thing before...

but i just wanted to give the other side of the coin...


Btw..tht bish raid was so frikn wak..there formations were liek blind monkys flyin.....
if they learned how to fly toghetr in formation bettr they could worry less on getn piked apart


but i welcoem many more raids like that:)

Love
BiGB

[Citabria]

gunners are useless

i think if the accurately modelled bombsite is kept the buffs need ai gunners

[Easyscor]

No way Fester!  What are you thinking

The whole reason for the Me163 is because one guy who knows what he's doing can drop the HQ.  A whole patch was released just to make it more difficult.

The bombsite isn't the problem in the case you mentioned, if the leader had known what he was doing, enough bombs would have hit to flatten any HQ, no offense to whoever was leading the mission.

[Yeager]

I always tended to think of the heavy bombers, the bombsight bombers, to be the weakest aspect of AH...unfortunately.  Not considering the "flight model" applied to GVs of course, hehe...

But it never had to do with the way the bombsight or bomb dispertion worked (I prefered the current more manly method anyway, the one requiring time and effort).  It had to do with the way ballistics lethality is so powerful.  Anytime a P51D could disable three B17s in a single aft to forward pass, something is seriosuly out of kilter.  But I understand.....it a game issue.

I guess moving back to the old bombing method is an viable alternative to the weakest aspect in the game but in my opinion it wouldnt be a fix.

[Batz]

Instead of calibrating just make the settings where they can be dialed in.

TAS = 250
AGL = 17000

Hit a button to lock it in

Any roll/pitch/yaw or speed adjustments "unlock" your settings.

You could add more stuff like in il2 were you dial in your settings then “mark” your target but that’s not really necessary.

Currently it’s the "calibrating" part that sucks.

Give the bombers Otto at least while they are in the sight.

You will still need to take a minute to get the settings dialed in accurately and you wont be able to maneuver too much while on a run.

Add a couple of "formation settings"

1 - wide
2 - close

or a .setform XXXX yards.


Wide for travel, tight for the bomb run. They are close now and easily killed.

I suspect you have more important stuff going on but if you every review the current bomber system please considers my suggestion.

I think the current system is a great improvement over the old system but its more "work" then fun. We all want to have "fun" even the bomber folk.

[ALF]

I am the only person on the planet that can consistently bomb the crap out of any base I want to?  I can shut down a small base with a B26 raid.....and mediums are a BREEZE in the B17....the large bases are more problematic for ONE LONE BOMBER PILOT but it can be done with a Lanc if you practice and dont get torn up by fighters in your blind spots.....which I why I love the b17:D


Please explain why buffing should require no skill unlike fighters or jabo?  The only thing I cant do now in a buff that I could befor is pinpoint GV elimination from 15k....which was pretty stupid anyway.

[zmeg]

Auto tailgunner while in calibration mode would be a good comprimize. A zoom would be good too.

[Citabria]

the old bombsite was fun

[F1Bomber]

I thought Fester you were original for! to remove fluffers from flying at 30K feet and using laser point accuracy to take out the fuel or radar at a field?

Though, I have been against the addon for the buffers, because it has taken away the fun it USED to be for using b17 and lancasters. Now i resort to dive bombing cv's in lancasters, Dive bombing field in lancasters, dive bombing hq in a lancaster.

Darn it has all been dive bombing in lancasters or bombers because its more fun and more accurate than using the bomb sight.

But there has been at great length of discussions about puting the speed of your buff inside the bomb sight. This would greatly increase accuracy because pilots can ajust there speed depending on what speed they calibrated.

F6Bomber " Its easyer to dive bomb bombers than use the bomb sight""
Hitech " Mabe the bomb bay doors are creating drag when you calibrate "
F6Bomber "Mabe but its more accurate to dive bomb!"

This is before hitech found out there was a problem with his code with the bomb sight not calculating the drag from the bomb bay doors correctly.

[Kweassa]

No way.

 The calibrating is fine, the only real problem is having to stay at the bombardier's position to drop it manually - this makes you have to switch continuously between the bombardier's seat and the gunner positions, which makes it difficult and dangerous for buff pilots.

 From what I remember the Norden sites automatically dropped their bombs after calibration - there were two 'markers' that were set by calibrating the sight, where the bombardier would first 'mark' the visible target via the bomb sight, and then set the second 'mark' by calibrating the alt, speed and drift.

 As the buff draws closer to the target the two 'markers' would gradually come close together, and when they were aligned the bomb was released.

 Now, I don't think we need all that gadgets in AH buffs, but I think we do need the system which drops bombs automatically according to calibration - so, in a bomb run, the bombardier can set the sites, calibrate, and then jump back to defensive position - as long as the buff holds a steady heading and speed, the bombs will then drop automatically.

[blue308]

i can' t imagine a bigger step backwards then introducing otto to AH. the whole beauty of this game is that u fight vs real ppl, u can surprise them, u can fool them, u can try to figure out their actions. otto spoils that. do whatever u want to the bombsight but keep the otto out of this game...

[moot]

tell the mission planners to include escorts.