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Offline BGBMAW

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« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2003, 02:35:49 PM »
boming is fine..and it is bettr then a jabo can do and faster..



u carry more ord..can spend tiem over targte area boming pinpoint targets at will.....  vh poppinh up..dead..town popping up dead....barrkas need killingh  north of base u are taking,,dead...



but anyways..funny how 18-24 year olds can operate a REAL norden site...and soem of u lemmings cant even master an AH boming site..


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« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2003, 03:53:00 PM »
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but anyways..funny how 18-24 year olds can operate a REAL norden site...and soem of u lemmings cant even master an AH boming site.


What I find funy is how bad your writting in your native language is. :rolleyes:

What I would like is some indication of my calibration.
Right now the best I can do is pray I did well.
How is that encouraging people to learn?
There is no way of knowing what you did wrong.
Which leads to frustration, which does no help beginners.

I would love to learn the bombsight, but it is just too damn frustrating too be fun right now.

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« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2003, 08:23:16 PM »
My Point exactly!!!

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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2003, 08:39:06 PM »
It made 63 before it got off track fester.:D
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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2003, 08:52:48 PM »
64 now.

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« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2003, 12:30:57 AM »
Ok is it fun to be shut down when you new in AH - you up shut down - up shut down - up to you start learning ACMs, tactics gunnery etc... Flying fighter planes is not easy at all!!! Even more it is much harder then flying buff.... So what is the problem to read manual of to ask someone in AH that can explain you bombsite clibratrion?

Give me a favor - it is not so hard - and I tell you when you coming and starting clibrate your site and then prepearing to drop bomb it is excelent feeling. Not just see and drop MK-84L. with perfect aiming there no LISER site systerms in WW2 - and later conflicts too. Norden is excelent bombsite that was used yeard after WW2. So just learn a little.

The only thing I really liked to see your air speed in your Norden mode to be able to control it more easyly.
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« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2003, 01:56:51 AM »
It's really no excuse as long as there are people who are doing it. If everybody was bad in a buff, and everybody was complaining I would understand..

 But as long as an average grade pilot like me can pick off single GVs with 5~6k level bombing, single ships at 10k, and single hangars at 15k, it's really either I'm a buffing genious, or somebody is not trying.

 And I definately do not think I'm an exceptional buff pilot.

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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2003, 01:59:10 AM »
Golly-geeit you dolts......




how about this..SET your Speed at 200...100 ---150 180...what ever!!!!!!


frikn fly an hour and figure out how you can maintain 200.....you are a godam lemming if you cant figure it out,,


if you learn how to maintain your speed..calibration is easy...if you want lessons..i will teach you...

godam eay...


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« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2003, 02:29:48 AM »
Anyone seen the matrix 3 yet?

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« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2003, 02:36:28 AM »
do they calibrate in it?

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« Reply #70 on: November 07, 2003, 07:21:52 AM »
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Golly-geeit you dolts......

how about this..SET your Speed at 200...100 ---150 180...what ever!!!!!!

frikn fly an hour and figure out how you can maintain 200.....you are a godam lemming if you cant figure it out,,

if you learn how to maintain your speed..calibration is easy...if you want lessons..i will teach you...

godam eay...

whaaa fester   whaa

PS spelling is for secrataries...if you cant understand it ..move on...but you obviously can..


I understand about half of what you write actually.

Yes I know how to settle speed.

The piont is that I have no way to know if my calibration is any good at all.
So I just drop and pray they hit, that is not the way to get people to do something.
You need to give people something they can easily see to motivate them to get there.
Right now it feels like you need to put hours of practise and all that practise will mean nothing if there is even a tiny change in flight parameters and my bombs will drop way off target.

If I have a speed indicator then I could judge my speed and decide this is not a good run and go around to try again.
Right now I just waster my bombs.

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« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2003, 08:10:47 AM »
well adding the speed into the bomb sight would just bring back accurate bombing again, and we DONT WANT THAT DO WE!

The idea of the speed indicator in the bomb sight has been brang up before, but i think my post got flamed to deaf because they thought they were elite bomber pilots, who didnt want there skills replaced.

I think AVRO1 really sums its all up really! If you miss your stuffed up your whole 3hrs of flying or 1hr of fling to the target at a safe alt. When you do hit, it would of been more effective to taken a jug or a typoon because alteast you can kill some people well over the base!

Hiting the strat target is just a waste of time.

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« Reply #72 on: November 07, 2003, 11:04:50 AM »
Christ, stop whining about not knowing how to bomb right, or how you don't have a large enuff attention span to do so, and learn!

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« Reply #73 on: November 07, 2003, 11:14:57 AM »
didn't they(RL piolets) have a precise speed known and held when bombing? dunno why it was left out from the view.

This feature added makes more sense than going back to the arcade setup only because it just barely beats the IGIVEUP threshold.

bring to the past it brought.

'elite' bomber pilots not wanting to go back to the old sight is as justified as elite fighter pilots not wanting the stall limiter being forced on them.
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« Reply #74 on: November 07, 2003, 11:27:21 AM »
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Yes I know how to settle speed.

 The point is that I have no way to know if my calibration is any good at all.
 So I just drop and pray they hit, that is not the way to get people to do something.
 You need to give people something they can easily see to motivate them to get there.
 Right now it feels like you need to put hours of practise and all that practise will mean nothing if there is even a tiny change in flight parameters and my bombs will drop way off target.

 If I have a speed indicator then I could judge my speed and decide this is not a good run and go around to try again.
Right now I just waster my bombs.



 Avro, if you know how to settle speed, then you know everything. I mean, just how hard is it exactly to pick a reference point, hold the cross hairs to it for and press a button 3~10 seconds?

 If there's a change in flight parameters, then you learn to compensate for it, like dropping a little bit earlier with 3~4 salvo with different delay settings - that part is what you have to learn with experience, and it's also what makes the difference between a good bombardier and a bad one.

  Besides, if the flight parameter has really changed only a tiny bit, it doesn't make any real difference at all - if the aim is thrown off so much that multiple salvos of bombs dropped all miss, then either you made a drastic change unfit for bombing, or you planned a wrong bomb run - plain and simple.

 Did real buff pilots have any 'indicators' or 'guarantees' where their bomb would fall? Of course not.

 When flying fighters, do we have a lead calcualtor sight that suggests where exactly our bullets will land? Of course not.

 We learn those things, and practice, and hope our personal skills are up to the task - we let the guns fire, bombs drop, and hope we aimed it right.

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If I have a speed indicator then I could judge my speed and decide this is not a good run and go around to try again.
Right now I just waster my bombs


 This part, is the difference between a good bomber pilot and a bad one. A good bomber pilot, prepares a bomb run long enough to assure him that the speed is adequate. If you're having doubts that you may miss the drop because you're speed may be wrong - then it mean naught but that you are that much inexperienced, or lacking practice.

 There's a reason why bombers enter a long, steady bomb run despite risk of being a sitting duck. If you miss the drops so much that it is frustrating for you, it merely means you aren't doing a good bomb run.