Originally posted by Nashwan A word of warning about Isegrim. If you disagree with him, he's apt to call you a paedophile. Quite a typical reaction from Nashwan. Calling you a pedophile ? LOL, how low you get with your lies.
He has a rather strange relationship with the truth. I know this for a fact, because he attempted to prove I was a liar by posting "quotes" from me that I hadn't made, or had made in a different context.OK, let`s say politely that`s Hop`s version.
My version is that I catched him how he twists his own words regarding his current needs, like in the present.
On ubi forums, I catched him doing that. On one occasion, he vehemently denied that he ever posted these infamous +25klbs Spit XIV tests, or claimed that +25lbs was standard for the plane.
About 2 weeks later, when his actual needs required to boost Spit performance, he suddenly said the very opposite, as can be seen below. He writes there as "Hop2002".
Author: hop2002
Rank: Over 200 Postings
Date: 06/28/03 12:49AM
"Firstly, I've never claimed that test shows normal Spit figures."
"Secondly, it doesn't show a stripped Spitfire. "
"It probably shows a Spit with the wingtips removed, but that was done on 5000+ Spits in total, so was a pretty common configuration."
"It shows a Spit with the mirror removed, but that wasn't exactly uncommon either."
"Show me one instance hwere I have claimed that was representative of Spits in squadron service."
"Oh, I forgot, I posted the picture to the OnWar forums, which are dead, so you can't prove it. How I managed to post the picture to a text only forum I still haven't been able to work out, let alone how I posted it before I'd even seen it, because I left OnWar before that was posted on the web."
Author: hop2002
Rank: Lonely Postman
Date: 07/15/03 09:06PM
-- Those "true figures" refer to a single prototype in
-- a crash programme agaisnt V-1 raids; it never saw
-- service.
" It did, as you can see the ministry of supply are quoting it as the speed of a Spitfire XIV. "
"No, sorry, 389mph at sea level was the speed of the Spitfire XIV, in standard operational conditions."
"Speed of Spitfire F XIV 389 mph at sea level. It's there in black and white."
"It's based on a Spitfire XIV cleaned up to normal standards."Speaks for itself.
BTW, it`s very funny compare the two versions, and what he says about these test right here. You actually got 3 conflicting versions from the same man.
You could look up the career of "Ginger" Lacey, who commanded a squadron re-equipped with Spit XIVs in India during the war. If the story goes into enough detail, you will see that he was originally allocated Spit XIVs with bublle canopies, which he rejected, and were passed to another squadron in India.The background of this story : Nashwan is contiously embrassed by the fact that the 109 K-4 not only was faster, climbed better etc. than his pet MkXIV, but also vastly outnumbered it in service. As usual, he cannot accept this reality.
I took some time and dug up the number of K-4s in service and MkXIVs in service, and what I found was 314 K-4s at a time and about 50-60 Mk XIVs.
Quite clear to see, there were about 5-6 times as many K-4s than Spit XIVs in service (not surprising, as there were a lot more produced of those).
Hop`s reaction was that he started to make up Spitfire squadrons from nothing that supposed to have equipped with MkXIVs, operating in exotic areas like India (as he could not prove more squadrons operating in Europe, he choosed a distant location).
However, he could support it with nothing, and when I asked for such simple thing like the Squadron`s number, he couldn`t even provide that, and neither can now, because he knows that then it could be checked.
The "funny theory" about the Mrmansk convoys is that they were also used as bait to lure out the Tirpitz. The dispute with Isegrim started over PQ17, which I said was being used as bait. That`s Naswhan`s version.
My version is he started arguing that the German navy was some kind of a coward and was too scared of those super-duper British ships. This was his reaction to a qoute from the latter of a British sailor whaich said he was "thankful to god he never caught up with the Tirpitz" on the King George V he was serving.
In order to prove that, he started inventing a colourful tale that the Murmansk convoys were set up to lure the Tirpitz out from where it was "hiding from the Royal Navy". It was neccesary, otherwise the they would never come out etc. So, according to Nashwan, the Brits came up with that smart plan, using merchant ships as a decoy to lure Tirpitz out. A poor part in the story, that Tirpitz only transitioned to Norway
after the convoys were already on route.
Isegrim maintains the covering force for PQ17, which included 1 British an 1 US battleship, a carrier, and many cruiser, ran away as soon as they heard Tirpitz was out.Not much to comment on that, it`s an outright lie. I said the merchantman run away ASAP.
Butch was adamant that 1.8 ata wasn't authorised until Feb45, 1.98 ata until March 45. Cut the long story short, he is lying.
