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Offline artik

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« on: November 01, 2003, 05:55:34 AM »
Discussion:
Best nonperked planes in MA - top 5:
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  • Bf 109G-10 Strong - fastest at altitudes above 10k, and best climb climb ratio above 10 (outclimber only by La7 below 10), good firepower variants - 3x20mm for energy fights 2x20mm+1x30mm for Buff inteseption 1x20mm for dogfighting, good 9 min WEP. Week - low compression speed - 450 knots. low roll ratio, veiws not best. Turns bad with gondolas, short flight time - very low on fuel.
  • P-51D Strong - Good diver. Good level manuverability on high speed (combat flaps), good bombload - 2x1000 +6 rockets. Excelent views, outstanding flight rangeWeek - low speed in top 5 at high alt , week firepower.
  • Fw 190D-9 Strong Excelent speed at all altitudes, excelent firepower, outsanding roll ratio, excelent conrol on high speeds Week low climb ratio, worst turn raito at top 5
  • La 7 Strong Best climb, speed, acceleration, manuverability al alt blelow 8k, outstanding WEP time. good firepower Week above 8k no WEP, speed, climb are low, only menuverability remains
  • Typhoon 1B Strong - very fast at low altitudes. Outstanding firepower of 4xhispano 20mm with good balistics. Good bombload Week - Low alt fighter, below 8k is week, bed manevurability and not best control
Any other opinions?
Artik, 101 "Red" Squadron, Israel

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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2003, 07:13:16 AM »
Sort of related topic...Fletchman used to have a nice aircraft description and comparison page for Warbirds.  Is there something similar for AH?

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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2003, 07:28:30 AM »
Yes look this link - I think one of the best:
http://www.telusplanet.net/~dsoder/models.htm

But the thread about Top 5 ;)
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2003, 08:11:26 AM »
Thanks, and sorry bout the slight derail.  G-10 for me. :)

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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2003, 08:35:16 AM »
Best interceptor: 109G10

Best buff hunter: Dora.

Best furballer: Lala.

Best Jabo: Tie between Pony and Tiffie.

Best long range escort: Pony (duh!)
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2003, 10:46:30 AM »
I say Best intercepter is Fw-190-A8 with the 2 30mm's 2 20mm' and 2 13mm's and the Flak Rockets

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« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2003, 01:30:30 PM »
F4U-1D :D

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« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2003, 02:33:54 PM »
P-38 Strong - best vertical fighter, great climb rate, arguably the best fighter gun package, generally out-turns what it can't out-run and out-runs what it can't out-turn, long-range fuel, great ordnance loadout, great roll rate as speed increases Weak - famous for compression problems, large airframe makes for a very big target, roll rate suffers at low speeds

It's still my plane of choice.

Ack-Ack, feel free to correct or improve my list.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2003, 01:30:50 AM »
F6F-5

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2003, 12:53:24 PM »
F6F-5 - STRONG - Pretty high turning radius, excellent dive, good firepower with 6 x 50's, can be used as a turn and burner or a boom and zoomer at times. Armored very well. WEAK - Very slow top speed, slow straight line acceleration.

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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2003, 01:10:57 PM »
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F6F-5 - STRONG - Pretty high turning radius, excellent dive, good firepower with 6 x 50's, can be used as a turn and burner or a boom and zoomer at times. Armored very well. WEAK - Very slow top speed, slow straight line acceleration.


Not shure that it can be reached in top 5.
First: Firepower - same like Mustang - if you compare with 190D 109g10 Typhoon or La7 all has at least 2 20mm canons and some even more. This is not good firepower. Speed - the top 5 are fast and has good clim ratio. To be surpiotity plane you must be fast - otherway you are on offencive. You can tell that Spit 9 turns good climbs well, has good firepower and easy to control but all the plance in the list outperfom it on its speed. Like 262 outclassed all prop planes Mustang and Dora outclassed Spit 9 and so F6F-5
By the way one more week in F6F very bad rear view ;)
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2003, 02:02:25 PM »
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Not shure that it can be reached in top 5.
First: Firepower - same like Mustang - if you compare with 190D 109g10 Typhoon or La7 all has at least 2 20mm canons and some even more. This is not good firepower. Speed - the top 5 are fast and has good clim ratio. To be surpiotity plane you must be fast - otherway you are on offencive. You can tell that Spit 9 turns good climbs well, has good firepower and easy to control but all the plance in the list outperfom it on its speed. Like 262 outclassed all prop planes Mustang and Dora outclassed Spit 9 and so F6F-5
By the way one more week in F6F very bad rear view ;)


Six fifties cannot be considered weak. They easily out-range any cannons except the Hispanos. Try HOing a Hellcat with a Dora... If the F6F pilot is smart and opens fire at 1.2k, the Dora dies before he's in effective range. Likewise, the P-38 is extremely deadly even without the single Hispano, because the four fifties are concentrated in a small circle (no convergence issues).

Other things worth mentioning: No single-engine fighter has better dive acceleration than the F6F-5, and only the Tempest equals it.

Speed is a minor consideration. It really makes little difference unless all you do is BnZ and run when things go badly. Climb is important, but zoom climb ability is a better measure and the F6F-6 zooms better than any single-engine fighter except the P-47 and they are about dead equal. If you think you can get away in the vertical from a Co-E Hellcat, think again. In all probability, the Hellcat will close on you over the first 2-3k. So, you had better be well outside gun range when trying that maneuver against the F6F-5.

Understand that the F6F-5 is not the best in any single category. But, it is very, very good in every category. Good enough to be extremely dangerous in any Co-E, Co-alt engagement regardless of what it encounters. It is also a very tough airplane, able to survive hits that would obiterate most fighters. Yeah, the rear view isn't very good, but it's not hard to kick some rudder and have a good look. Countering this is the fact that the view over the nose is probably the best of any fighter.

As to speed, it's every bit as fast as the Fw 190A-5 above 5k. It can reach 402 mph between 20 - 21k.

I agree with Wadke, the best overall, non-perked fighter is the F6F-5 Hellcat. Simply do the comparisons.

Another of my favorites, and easily the most under-rated fighter in the game, is the Ki-61.

My regards,

Widewing
« Last Edit: November 02, 2003, 02:08:05 PM by Widewing »
My regards,

Widewing

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« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2003, 02:26:01 PM »
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Speed is a minor consideration


Ok lets talk about speed - importance. Yes if your talk 1 vs 1 it is better to have good climb (F6F-5 not the best one) and good turn, maybe..... because if good turner and climber on your 6 you can just disengage.... sucessefully ;).
But when we talking about wingman tactics 2 vs 2 or 4 vs 4 all is defferent. The plane that has suprior speed makes the rules of the game. If someone get on your 6 you just continue to fly stright - and wait untill your wingman will clean you, the slower plane will be at offencive all the time, and the fastest will do what they want. Yes you can land with 5 - 10 kills in Spit 5 untill you get to situation when you can not win all of them. If you in fast plane you just can exit the fight and then return with altitude.

So speed is not minor characteristics but most important one. You might know that Me262 has poor climb raito, very bad acceleration, bad trun ratio - but it is absoultly suprior on other planes why? Speed. If you slow you are allways offenceive. That is whay F6F in not will be one of the top 5 because the rest will outrun it easyly. :)
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« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2003, 04:03:35 PM »
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It is also a very tough airplane, able to survive hits that would obiterate most fighters.

People who watch my films often ask me why I only used my 50cals on that last kill.  I usually respond with "because I saw a hellcat back there, he gets my cannon."

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« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2003, 04:12:39 PM »
Speed is only an asset if you run a lot.