Author Topic: American Rifleman - Symantec - Irony (Read 4838 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #30 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:34:09 PM »

Ah, I see the misunderstanding here. The category is not 'Gun violence' or 'Shooting people', it's just general 'Weapons'.

Look, this is a simple tool for parents to use in moderating where their children can browse. It's not a political brainwashing device, it's not something that scheming liberals use for their evil deeds, it's a tool. When I first joined the group, something about the parental controls feature irritated me, but then I realized that if software companies didn't offer that functionality, then pro-censorship groups would be able to effectively make their cases for banning 'offensive' or 'touchy' or 'mature' subjects from the internet.

Who do you want raising your kids, you or some legislator?

Once again, I'm a gun-toting, red necked, 4x4 driving (Well, it's a Yukon, but it's still 4x4) son of a goat and as y'all know, I'm constantly spoiling for a fight. If there was anything insidious about this, I'd either be yelling louder then any of you or unemployed because I got fired for the aforementioned yelling.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #31 on:** November 04, 2003, 12:55:18 PM »

again though, it's not a 'weapons sight' it is a 2nd amendment political opinion sight. to the best of my knowledge the nra doesn't sell firearms, or any other type of weapons.

wal-mart.com would be more of a 'weapons sight' than the nra.

the software itself obviously doesn't have a agenda, but whoever put that sight on the list of those to be banned sure did.

while the purpose of the software may not be 'brain washing', that is the end result.

aside from that I sure wouldn't want filtering software that blocked certain ideas or opinions from being read. something that blocked certain language, or images, even sights that match people up for random chat these are things I may have wanted for my kids when they where younger. but a filter that blocks out whatever the list makers decide is not PC wouldn't go on my computer, or any computer I had any say in.

btw- you may want to mention this thread at work. I've been very satisfied with my symantec products over the years(have never really considered using anything but norton AV since switching from mcafee in '97), but this is the kind of thing that could have me changing software companies. I'm fairly sure I'm not the only one.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #32 on:** November 04, 2003, 01:49:35 PM »

banning both sides in this case i think.

no one seems to behave themselves on this one.

misuse of a firearm should be summary hanging tho
i truely believe.

Sixpence · « **Reply #33 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:07:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Once again, I'm a gun-toting, red necked, 4x4 driving (Well, it's a Yukon, but it's still 4x4) son of a goat

From LA? Hey Jed, you mind if I come over to see ellie may?

lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:12:55 PM »

got to go with apathy on this one.... how is the NRA doing anything but promoting firearms safety? the NRA offers safety classes for children trains instructors... It has an "Eddy Eagle" program for children to promote gun safety... it is obvious that the person making the list is biased.
lazs

Chairboy · « **Reply #35 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:54:15 PM »

Here's some stats: There are over 20,000 sites categorized as weapons. I just glanced at the list and saw these anti-gun sites categorized right alongside the NRA:

nomoreguns.com
nonlethal.com
proguncontrol.com
handguncontrol.com
stopgunsnow.com

There's not any intentional bias. If there are sites missing, then submit them at the following URL:

http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/cgi-bin/nisurl.cgi?lang=EN&unblock=http://nra.org/

vorticon · « **Reply #36 on:** November 04, 2003, 02:55:41 PM »

public librarys are just that...public...if they didnt use blocker software anyone could come in and open up a porn site...and because little kids use the library...

also people could look up stuff about building a bomb...and because there anonymous (sp) noone could pin it down o them

the good outweighs the bad when it comes to blocker software ( i know there are ways around it [im using one to veiw this site at school...stupid websense] but there designed to stop the average child from accidently getting to sites they shouldent...) anyway people really shouldent be using the library for that anyway...you wanna look at information about guns at the library spend 2 seconds getting a MUCH more accurate source of information...a book...

capt. apathy · « **Reply #37 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:04:58 PM »

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There's not any intentional bias. If there are sites missing, then submit them at the following URL:

I don't think there are sites missing, I think there are sites blocked that have no bussiness being blocked.

this isn't about obsinity or dangerouse material. it's about PC. I don't want anyones political opinion censored in a public library. the debate over gun control, which ever side you take, (be it reasonable gun owner or lunatic, anti gun nut

) is a political or civil rights issue.

just because it's controversial shouldn't justify it being censored. the more contreversial a subject is the more access people need to all sides of the issue so they can make informed decissions for themselves.

Chairboy · « **Reply #38 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:32:45 PM »

Right, but it's not being censored. This is a tool that PARENTS can use to control where their kids go.

Whether or not you personally agree or disagree with gun issues, do you think that you as the parent have the right to monitor/control where your kids go? That's all this is. Saying this is about censorship is a straw man argument.

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #39 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:40:01 PM »

Kids will find porn, here, there, home, library, hidden in dads’ underwear drawer, etc.

Put a filter on a computer in a library where people go to find information is idiotic.

You do not want you kids to look up porn in the library? Watch what they do over there shoulder you tool of a ****ing bad parent!"

Also what the hell is wrong with me looking up a how to make a bomb? That’s freedom, I should be able to, and the government or anyone else can **** off, I am free to do it tell I break a law.

What the hell, what if a kid wants to do a report on gun control!

Capt Apathy,
I am pro gun, pro gay, pro choice, pro suicide, pro free speech and also a registered republican.

I laughed at everything you posted tell you hit the free speech part. Reps want it just as much as dems....

I think people really in many cases do not understand free speech. I am all for anyone saying anything they want, hate speech and all. Yes the KKK, ACLU, NAACP, dixiepotatos, Al Franken, the blonde rep dip**** that he loves to hate and Reps love to love, all the Hollywood tools etc have the right to say anything they want.
I also have the right to despise them for what they say and do, I have the right to boycott them and burn their CDs, or movies or books if I want, that’s my right, the same one they have.

What I do not have the right to do is STOP them from speaking. Boycotting them or burning their crappy CDs is not stopping them.

Chairboy · « **Reply #40 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:44:58 PM »

BTW, just to avoid any misconceptions, my product is for use at home, not in libraries. I think filters at libraries are stupid too.

vorticon · « **Reply #41 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:45:13 PM »

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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Kids will find porn, here, there, home, library, hidden in dads’ underwear drawer, etc.

Put a filter on a computer in a library where people go to find information is idiotic.

You do not want you kids to look up porn in the library? Watch what they do over there shoulder you tool of a ****ing bad parent!"

Also what the hell is wrong with me looking up a how to make a bomb? That’s freedom, I should be able to, and the government or anyone else can **** off, I am free to do it tell I break a law.

What the hell, what if a kid wants to do a report on gun control!

1. kids will find porn...but this keeps the younger ones who arnt looking for it out of it...and it slows down the stupid one...
2. see my earlier post
3. guess what...the parents arnt always going to be around...and the ones that are most likely to veiw the porn are most likely not to have there parents around...
4. err last time i checked building a bomb was illegal...and 90% of the time if your looking up that information your gonna want to use it
5. if the kid wants to do a report then he can talk to the librarian and they will set him up...pure and simple

when was the last time any of you were in a library???

vorticon · « **Reply #42 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:46:10 PM »

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BTW, just to avoid any misconceptions, my product is for use at home, not in libraries. I think filters at libraries are stupid too.

kids use libraries

kids can see what people are doing on the computer in a library...

GtoRA2 · « **Reply #43 on:** November 04, 2003, 03:55:52 PM »

vorticon

I should not be punished or stopped from doing something until I break the law. I own books on making bombs, I find it interesting. I have never done it. I know WAY too much about the subject to even try. It is dangerous and stupid. That does not mean I do not have the right to know or learn how to do it. I have never, not one time in my life ever thought of making a bomb, for any reason though I played with firecrackers.

My father was never concerned with me reading the black book of munitions either, he trusted me, and I was worthy of the trust.

I do not use libraries often because I do not like being around other peoples annoying kids, nor do I like giving books back. If I read it I want to own it.

Oh and for kids using libraries, yes they do, and parents should either supervise them or they should be old enough to be trusted. The porn on the computer is not an issue.

vorticon · « **Reply #44 on:** November 04, 2003, 04:06:20 PM »

gtora2 you might know enough not to do anything stupid but that doesnt mean the next guy isnt...and i agree that you shouldent be punished until you break the law...i was just pointing out that people usually want that information for a reason...